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Thread: Trump Has No Wiretap Fears; He Has Fears Of Being Found Guilty of Treason

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    And it isn't the first time Trump has received what common sense dictates must have been a bribe for a foreign country who is hostile to the US:

    Donald Trump insisted Wednesday that his only dealing with Russia was when he sold a mansion to a Russian billionaire for nearly $100 million.
    Trump was asked about Russia during his news conference Wednesday because of speculation that Russia was behind the hack of the Democratic National Committee's emails in an effort to help his campaign. The FBI is still investigating and has not identified the hackers.

    "No, I have nothing to do with Russia," Trump told a reporter in Doral, Florida. "How many times do I have say that? Are you a smart man? I have nothing to with Russia, I have nothing to do with Russia."

    Trump then acknowledged: There was that one time.

    "What do I have to do with Russia? You know the closest I came to Russia, I bought a house a number of years ago in Palm Beach, Florida... for $40 million and I sold it to a Russian for $100 million including brokerage commissions."

    What was that deal exactly?

    The Maison de L'Amitie is a massive beachfront estate in Palm Beach, Florida. The 81,738 square foot mansion sits on 6.2 acres -- with 475 feet of sandy beach facing the Atlantic Ocean. It belonged to Abraham Gosman, a millionaire who owned health care properties across the country -- until he went bankrupt.

    In a 2004 auction, Trump snapped up the property from Gosman's Chapter 7 Bankruptcy Estate for $41 million, according to property records.

    Four years later, Trump sold the mansion for $95 million.

    The official deed on that deal says that Trump Properties sold the property to County Road Property LLC. But that's just a front. The real buyer of the property was Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev.

    Rybolovlev admitted it through a spokesman in 2008, and his real estate agent on the deal reaffirmed it to CNNMoney this week.

    Carol Digges, the South Florida broker who gave Rybolovlev a tour of the luxurious estate two years before he bought it, said the Russian billionaire never moved in. In fact, she doubts he ever moved in.
    I don't care if ALIENS landed in Palm Beach. No property is worth $41 Million in 2004 and then $100 million in 2008.

    That's a BRIBE, and the question is, what was it for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am still 99% convinced there was no wiretap; that everything our intelligence agencies have found was uncovered because they eavesdropped on RUSSIAN officials who, surprise surprise, had conversations with Trump and his staffers.
    Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Sunday denied any suggestion that Trump Tower communications were wiretapped before the election.

    "There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, as a candidate, or against his campaign," Clapper told Chuck Todd in an exclusive interview on Sunday's "Meet The Press."

    When Todd asked him whether he could confirm or deny if a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Act) order for this existed, Clapper declared, "I can deny it."

    Asked again whether there was a FISA Court order to monitor Trump Tower, Clapper said, "Not to my knowledge."
    Former DNI Clapper: No Wiretap of Trump Tower
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am still 99% convinced there was no wiretap; that everything our intelligence agencies have found was uncovered because they eavesdropped on RUSSIAN officials who, surprise surprise, had conversations with Trump and his staffers.
    For some content, here is the information/evidence that Mark Levin has provided.

    Interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Based on today's Sunday Morning shows, not even his (Trump) staff was forewarned about the "Obama wire tap" accusations.

    Nor do they (staff) know what Trump is basing the accusation on.....
    They ID'd the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This is my *who gives a fuck* face.
    If it's important enough to get a tweet from the leader of the free world, then we should all care.
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    Hallucinations are far more common in Lewy Body Syndrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Isn't it telling that Trump refuses to investigate the allegations of wiretapping he made against Obama by ANY means other than under the aegis of the Congressional investigation (which has yet to commence) into his treasonous contact with Russia, before and after the election?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/u...pgtype=article

    There is no nexus of law or fact; it's a patently obvious attempt to use the "yeah, that was bad but he did something worse" defense. Which is ridiculous, because betraying this country to RUSSIA certainly is "the worst" thing any POTUS could possibly do.

    So.... I conclude the Trump allegations have ZERO basis in fact and the allegations against him, of treason, are VIRTUALLY PROVEN by his own ineptitude. Why would he need a "distraction defense" if the facts were not dire for him?

    The Orangatang needs to resign, now. We can decide whether to prosecute him for treason later.

    Your thoughts?

    What's true or not, has yet to be established, but Trump does not help himself by being all for investigations, as long as they are into someone else, NOT him and as long as he or his cronies have control of any investigations, either against their opponents or into themselves. In a lot of people's books, that is called self serving and human history is full of self-serving tyrants.
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    I'm not knowledgeable enough about the ins and outs of your government so I have to ask. The White House asking Congress to investigate this so-called tapping are they obligated to do so?

    My strong belief is that Trump et al are just hoping that an investigation would move the media's attention to the investigation rather than remaining on the Russian connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    I'm not knowledgeable enough about the ins and outs of your government so I have to ask. The White House asking Congress to investigate this so-called tapping are they obligated to do so?
    No, but Congress is currently controlled by President Trump's political party, so one would assume some level of political pressure to acquiesce to his wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    For some content, here is the information/evidence that Mark Levin has provided.

    Interesting.


    Yes, if your business plan is to paint/portray all your competition as "liberal" you will attract "conservatives". If you then limit who competes with you for a "conservative" audience, you draw most of the "conservative" market/audience, instead of having it split up across a number of networks. Therefore, even if the total "conservative" market is smaller in size than a "liberal" market, channeling it to one or a limited number of networks means each of those is going to have a bigger audience than the "liberal" networks which are split and divided across numerous networks.

    Not only does such a plan make the audience numbers look good (for those that don't think about how it works), it is a draw for advertisers who want the biggest bang for their advertising dollars. If they don't have to place ads in 5 places to reach the same audience numbers (conservative or liberal is not as important to most of them), they save lots of money. In that way, FOX News' business plan is a brilliant one, but, once people know how it works and if they start suspecting FOX News is really the more biased network and its portrayal of its competition as "liberal" (with the insinuation being "liberal" is not telling the truth) is not accurate and true, that business formula could work against them.

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