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    Marine LePen Sounded Okay To Me

    I listened to her 60 Minutes interview last night, and wasn't horrified.

    No religious garments in public -- for anyone. Makes sense, given France's antipathy for all religions, AND it's a neutral way to prevent ME immigrants from attempting to remake their 7th Century society in France.

    Secure borders, controlled immigration. Rather hard to disagree with this, considering the flow of ME and African people who have recently moved to France.

    My only real complaint was she wants to outlaw the birquini. I see no reason a government should prohibit women from swimming unless they are meeting minimum nudity standards.

    Anyone else see this broadcast? Am I missing LePen's more hateful opinions?

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    She tends to act like that. She would like to appear reasonable but she is an insane xenophobe and a racist.

    The election of Ms Le Pen would not only bring to power a leader who has compared Muslims praying in the street to the Nazi occupation of France.
    Ms Le Pen has promised to abandon the euro in favour of a new franc and to hold a referendum on leaving the EU within her first six months (though she would need parliamentary approval to do so). The EU can survive the loss of Britain; the loss of France would bring the project that has underpinned the European order for the past 60 years to a close.
    Ms Le Pen blames outside forces and promises to protect voters with a combination of more barriers and greater social welfare. She has effectively distanced herself from her party’s anti-Semitic past (even evicting her father from the party he founded), but she appeals to those who want to shut out the rest of the world. She decries globalisation as a threat to French jobs and Islamists as fomenters of terror who make it perilous to wear a short skirt in public. The EU is “an anti-democratic monster”. She vows to close radical mosques, stanch the flow of immigrants to a trickle, obstruct foreign trade, swap the euro for a resurrected French franc and call a referendum on leaving the EU.
    A victory for Ms Le Pen would make France poorer, more insular and nastier. If she pulls France out of the euro, it would trigger a financial crisis and doom a union that, for all its flaws, has promoted peace and prosperity in Europe for six decades. Vladimir Putin would love that. It is perhaps no coincidence that Ms Le Pen’s party has received a hefty loan from a Russian bank and Mr Macron’s organisation has suffered more than 4,000 hacking attacks.
    http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...lined-its-main
    http://www.economist.com/news/leader...s-borders-vote
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I listened to her 60 Minutes interview last night, and wasn't horrified.

    No religious garments in public -- for anyone. Makes sense, given France's antipathy for all religions, AND it's a neutral way to prevent ME immigrants from attempting to remake their 7th Century society in France.

    Secure borders, controlled immigration. Rather hard to disagree with this, considering the flow of ME and African people who have recently moved to France.

    My only real complaint was she wants to outlaw the birquini. I see no reason a government should prohibit women from swimming unless they are meeting minimum nudity standards.

    Anyone else see this broadcast? Am I missing LePen's more hateful opinions?
    No yarmulke?

    No accidental slips of Mormon undergarments from the under the sleeve?

    No priest collars?

    No nun's habits?

    Doesn't sound neutral to me. Sounds like using a sledge hammer on millions in order to be able to put a supposedly neutral face on a xenophobic goal.

    The desire to go so far as to outlaw a particular religious garment kinda puts the lie to any notion of neutrality.


    Like Trump seeking Giuliani's advice on how to legally ban Muslims, and then trying to get us to believe that his travel bans aren't supposed to be interpreted as a step toward that broader goal.



    Do you have quotes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by res View Post
    She tends to act like that. She would like to appear reasonable but she is an insane xenophobe and a racist.









    http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...lined-its-main
    http://www.economist.com/news/leader...s-borders-vote
    Well, bear with me but none of that seems evil to me. I also oppose globalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    No yarmulke?

    No accidental slips of Mormon undergarments from the under the sleeve?

    No priest collars?

    No nun's habits?

    Doesn't sound neutral to me. Sounds like using a sledge hammer on millions in order to be able to put a supposedly neutral face on a xenophobic goal.

    The desire to go so far as to outlaw a particular religious garment kinda puts the lie to any notion of neutrality.


    Like Trump seeking Giuliani's advice on how to legally ban Muslims, and then trying to get us to believe that his travel bans aren't supposed to be interpreted as a step toward that broader goal.



    Do you have quotes?
    This interview is on YouTube, at: "60 Minutes March 5, 2017".

    And I could be wrong, but I think France already prohibits religious displays in public. Atheism is a French value, I think.

    Obviously, banning clothing is radical, but they have a big problem and that would deter people from coming who do not intend to assimilate.

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    The Front national stared as an extreme right racist movement. Some people who have high responsability there were members of fascist movements like Occident. Marine Le Pen made a lot of window dressing to make her party acceptable, but if you go behind what is up front you find this organization totally antidemocratic in the hands of the Le Pen family. For example Jean-marie Le Pen made a loan of several millions euros to help her daughter to finance her presidential ambitions. The core of this party is still racist, fascist etc.... It is not because they exploit the concerns of people feeling left behind or with little future because of the mutations on the go, that it becomes a normal party representing the interests of part of a population. Populism is only a tool to access to power, but the real aim is different. It is to destroy all democratic values to the profit of its leaders..... And to leave no room for a balance of power. What people who vote for the Front national do not realize is that, in the name of being antielitist, anti foreigners the party federates people who have no real interest in common..... Former communists, extreme rightists, religious integrists etc... Completely unable to share a common vision beside being against what creates for them anguish, as mutations, globalization etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I listened to her 60 Minutes interview last night, and wasn't horrified.

    No religious garments in public -- for anyone. Makes sense, given France's antipathy for all religions, AND it's a neutral way to prevent ME immigrants from attempting to remake their 7th Century society in France.

    Secure borders, controlled immigration. Rather hard to disagree with this, considering the flow of ME and African people who have recently moved to France.

    My only real complaint was she wants to outlaw the birquini. I see no reason a government should prohibit women from swimming unless they are meeting minimum nudity standards.

    Anyone else see this broadcast? Am I missing LePen's more hateful opinions?
    The French have in many ways been more progressive and free than a lot of others, this seems counter to that and I have watched and read a lot more about LePen as well as have French friends and they are very wary of what she wants.

    France has had immigrants from around the world for a long time, so it is nothing new and France also had colonies around the world, like the British Empire, it would be counter to their history and culture to become xenophobic and isolationist.

    The world has seen and dealt with refugee, immigration concerns far greater than this, it can deal with this without nations having to lean toward fascism and bigotry to do so.

    I would also suggest the French are quite proud of their cathedrals, the most famous of which, being Notre Dame de Paris. While France may have one of the largest populations of non-believers when it comes to a god, I don't know if one might say "atheism is a French value", depending upon how someone might define the "values" of their nation. Some in the world might suggest violence is an American value, based on our crime rate when it comes to developed nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, bear with me but none of that seems evil to me. I also oppose globalization.
    I just highlighted a couple of sentences from those two articles. You really have to read them to get a little sense of who and what she is. Galatin gave you an interesting piece of information. Her antisemite, racist father lent her some money for her presidential bid, while I gave you a direct quote from The Economist that Putin is funding her campaign. She admits it.

    Marine Le Pen was brought up in a chateau!? She's rich, and she's running on a xenophobic platform decrying immigrants and those from outside France have taken our jobs. Reminds of you of someone? Maybe someone orange in tone, with a strange hairdo?

    She's worse than Trump because, I forgot which poster here said it but it's brilliant, at least Trump doesn't know what he's doing. Le Pen would know exactly how to move to destroy the EU and France. She is a product of a movement in France that attempted assassinations of Charles de Gaulle because he decided to recognize independent Algeria. Read about her, read what she used to say, not just after she kicked her father out of the party, but while he was running it (until 2011) which was not all that long ago. She changed her tune just a little bit, and coupled it with lunatic economic policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    No yarmulke?

    No accidental slips of Mormon undergarments from the under the sleeve?

    No priest collars?

    No nun's habits?

    Doesn't sound neutral to me. Sounds like using a sledge hammer on millions in order to be able to put a supposedly neutral face on a xenophobic goal.

    The desire to go so far as to outlaw a particular religious garment kinda puts the lie to any notion of neutrality.


    Like Trump seeking Giuliani's advice on how to legally ban Muslims, and then trying to get us to believe that his travel bans aren't supposed to be interpreted as a step toward that broader goal.



    Do you have quotes?
    Almost identical to Quebec's Charter of Values from 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    The French have in many ways been more progressive and free than a lot of others, this seems counter to and I have watched and read a lot more about LePen as well as have French friends and they are very wary of what she wants.

    France has had immigrants from around the world for a long time, so it is nothing new and France also had colonies around the world, like the British Empire, it would be counter to their history and culture to become xenophobic and isolationist.

    The world has seen and dealt with refugee, immigration concerns far greater than this, it can deal with this without nations having to lean toward fascism and bigotry to do so.

    I would also suggest the French are quite proud of their cathedrals, the most famous of which, being Notre Dame de Paris. While France may have one of the largest populations of non-believers when it comes to a god, I don't know if one might say "atheism is a French value", depending upon how someone might define the "values" of their nation. Some in the world might suggest violence is an American value, based on our crime rate when it comes to developed nations.
    It's not so much atheism but the French state is proudly held to be very strictly secular in nature and behaviour.

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