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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    I don't think the current Democrats will be very effective. Keeping Mrs Pelosi on board in leadership was a very bad decision for a party that needs to substantially change and evolve.
    Oh yes, it must be Pelosi. Bad, bad girl! lol
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    Bernie's Popularity Soars -- Except With Democrats

    Bernie never was all that popular with Democrats. That's why he couldn't win the primary, in spite of running against what he considered the most flawed candidate that the Democrats could have possibly run against him.

    Maybe he'll run as a Republican in 2020?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Meaningless Fox poll but I must say I do credit those who still haven't accepted the fact that Bernie did not even win the primary though Hillary treated him with kid gloves. He was never vetted by Republicans who found him useful. It is a drumbeat a portion of Bernie voters still don't get and no one should expect them to realize they messed up big time in the last election. I don't mind saying this is particularly irritating as it seems some relying on Fox simply live in a bubble. Look at all the people suffering today because of that attitude. Wish you all listened to Bernie when he told you to vote for Hillary.

    But nooooooooooooooo. Now we have to read endless drivel about how you didn't help get Trump in no, no way...musta been the rest of the libs via democrats. Couldn't be the conservative neo-progressive Bernie on and off supporters.
    What is your solution for the future? Does the progressive side of the party turn off moderates? How is that resolved? I see a pretty solid wall of young progressives coming up and they want to be part of the future. They see little in the GOP side but they do want the dems to move left to be a part of that. We see them all out protesting now which shows they have the passion and fight in them. They just don't want to be status quo or "republican lite."
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    Bernie needs to keep doing what he's doing. The Democrats won't listen until they have no choice. And that will never happen unless people are riled up en masse.

    The catastrophe that we need as a catalyst to overhaul our healthcare system is upon us. It's called our current healthcare system. People are going fucking broke in droves trying to pay, and the gangsters just keep showing up and demanding more and more. And the more corrupt the system gets, the easier it is for them to demand still more.

    This one issue could break the entire middle class in one generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think most mainline Democrats think that would be like shooting themselves in the head. Here's the problem: just because something is logical and makes sense isn't going make the majority support it. Most people make their decisions based on a pretty blunt, emotional calculus. They are easily swayed by the careful use of language. To get to UHC, we'll either need:

    1. A health care disaster that is felt deeply by a majority of Americans that justifies a drastic change, or

    2. A means of framing the issue so it doesn't seem like we're doing something un-American. Right now, UHC sounds un-American to far too many of our countrymen and women. If you can figure out a way to associate it with baseball and apple pie.....
    O FFS. This is a hump in the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Right now, the California legislature is considering a UHC plan for our state. If it passes...and if it defies the expectations of the right that it will create a fiscal crisis for the state...perhaps it will look like a reasonable option for others.

    OTOH, if it doesn't pass in California, how can anyone suggest that the rest of the country is ready for the idea?
    I don't see how California can install real UHC all by itself. They can't nationalize the health insurance companies and absorb their workers and assets. How do they propose to fund it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    We have the need and the desire; what we lack is the commitment from our politicians to deliver universal care.
    And the commitment of politicians is entirely dependent on their impressions about what will get them elected.

    Tell you what--why not get a bunch of Bernieboys and girls to run against Dems in their primaries? The GOP was pulled way right (IMHO) by the fear of getting primaried. If UHC is really the issue you think it is, wouldn't down-ballot Dems fear the same thing? Why is the presidential line the only place where you can put real, practical pressure on Dems?

    I think I know the answer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    What is your solution for the future? Does the progressive side of the party turn off moderates? How is that resolved? I see a pretty solid wall of young progressives coming up and they want to be part of the future. They see little in the GOP side but they do want the dems to move left to be a part of that. We see them all out protesting now which shows they have the passion and fight in them. They just don't want to be status quo or "republican lite."
    Young people always grow up eventually, and their ideology tends to mature along with them. Meanwhile, they don't vote, so who really cares what they think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Bernie never was all that popular with Democrats. That's why he couldn't win the primary, in spite of running against what he considered the most flawed candidate that the Democrats could have possibly run against him.

    Maybe he'll run as a Republican in 2020?
    Another Joe Leiberman? I think Bernie went back yo Indie to be able to win in Vermont. But he lied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    What is your solution for the future? Does the progressive side of the party turn off moderates? How is that resolved? I see a pretty solid wall of young progressives coming up and they want to be part of the future. They see little in the GOP side but they do want the dems to move left to be a part of that. We see them all out protesting now which shows they have the passion and fight in them. They just don't want to be status quo or "republican lite."
    The success Hillary did attain says it all. The majority of liberals still support the social liberal focus. They are not into unrealistic shiny objects as per normal. Bernie was a "thing" much like other spoilers have been a "thing" so we'll see in the next Presidential election whether the voters get serious and fully understand what is at stake. This can go either way as this country has constricted to fear mongering and small minded back steps in the past but they are often followed by a more socially generous span. You can tell by the successes Hillary had that the social liberal is speaking louder than Bernie's semi conservative neo progressive holdouts. Unfortunately the rust belt that Hillary lost to Bernie picked a bad time to punish her for winning. Long story short, the young are not stupid. I fully expect them to be much more aware in future elections and be a force for the social liberal torch bearers, not the "flavor of the month". That bodes well for Democrats moving forward.

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