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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Bernie never was all that popular with Democrats. That's why he couldn't win the primary, in spite of running against what he considered the most flawed candidate that the Democrats could have possibly run against him.

    Maybe he'll run as a Republican in 2020?
    He also still can't get any important bill passed. Not sure his supporters understood that Hillary had to win for Bernie to have any power. Now he is back to being ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Attitudes have significantly changed in just a matter of weeks, with Trump in office. The time has never been better to fight for universal care. And what do we get from Democrats?

    *Crickets*.
    The time has never been better to fight for universal care? It's never been worse. The only national party with any hopes of passing it, the democrats, are at their lowest levels of representation in nearly a century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    The time has never been better to fight for universal care? It's never been worse. The only national party with any hopes of passing it, the democrats, are at their lowest levels of representation in nearly a century.
    Yes, but if TrumpCare passes, it will destroy the private health-care insurance market in short order. Fear of destroying a private enterprise and putting thousands of Americans out of work was the only reason the Democrats chose to promote the Heritage Foundation private sector plan to begin with.

    Well... That, and the fact that many Democratic politicians were nave enough to think that they could get bipartisan support for what was basically a Republican plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Oh yes, it must be Pelosi. Bad, bad girl! lol
    Mrs Pelosi is but one example of how poorly the Democrats have done post-election in refreshing both their leadership and approach to solving issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    And the commitment of politicians is entirely dependent on their impressions about what will get them elected.

    Tell you what--why not get a bunch of Bernieboys and girls to run against Dems in their primaries? The GOP was pulled way right (IMHO) by the fear of getting primaried. If UHC is really the issue you think it is, wouldn't down-ballot Dems fear the same thing? Why is the presidential line the only place where you can put real, practical pressure on Dems?

    I think I know the answer....
    They are that's what Our Revolution and Justice Democrats are planning on doing.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f3e578a2ffe0
    https://ourrevolution.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Mrs Pelosi is but one example of how poorly the Democrats have done post-election in refreshing both their leadership and approach to solving issues.
    Conservatives think Pelosi is a problem. That is to be expected when one is successful. She won me over when, among other things, she got Obamacare passed by some magic trick as a FIRST ever program of its kind in spite of blue dog and red state serious fight against it. It was a real hat trick she will get no small amount of credit for in a decade or two when history logs it.

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    A theme I hear sort of recurring is that Bernie is some sort of radical. Nothing he proposes is all that different from things that have been done here before or in other Liberal democracies...assuming that's still what we are. And preventing the outright takeover of the government by money...is that a radical idea? Campaign finance reform, attempting to reduce the impact of dollars on legislation, the very notion that these are radical ideas is an attempt to marginalize them.

    On what basis can anyone object to those to those two initiatives? Campaign finance reform is a bad idea? Preventing the rich from purchasing legislation is a bad idea? In what fucking universe is this radical? How fucked is our system when somebody talking straight simple shit like this is marginalized as some sort of crackpot?

    Fine, some of his agenda is further left than we've heard for a while, but it's not new to America. It's not communism. Compared to some of the things Nixon did Bernie wouldn't seem as far left as compared to what we have today, which is creeping towards fascism. You so much as suggest that in any way a rich person should pay a higher tax for anything anywhere near a Republican and they'll brand Commie on your forehead and then shoot you for hating America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    They are that's what Our Revolution and Justice Democrats are planning on doing.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f3e578a2ffe0
    https://ourrevolution.com/
    We'll see how that works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    A theme I hear sort of recurring is that Bernie is some sort of radical. Nothing he proposes is all that different from things that have been done here before or in other Liberal democracies...assuming that's still what we are.
    But we see ourselves as exceptional, and we have a strong anti-government streak that other liberal democracies don't share. Just look at the language GOPers are able to get away with in describing government: "swamp" is the new one.
    And preventing the outright takeover of the government by money...is that a radical idea?
    According to our SCOTUS, it is.
    Campaign finance reform, attempting to reduce the impact of dollars on legislation, the very notion that these are radical ideas is an attempt to marginalize them.
    And quite successful.

    On what basis can anyone object to those to those two initiatives? Campaign finance reform is a bad idea?
    According to our SCOTUS, it's an UNCONSTITUTIONAL idea.
    Preventing the rich from purchasing legislation is a bad idea? In what fucking universe is this radical? How fucked is our system when somebody talking straight simple shit like this is marginalized as some sort of crackpot?
    Again, our SCOTUS. They don't consider something "corrupt" unless there's an actual bad guy handing an actual politician a bag of money while the pol says "I'll vote the way you want." And they get caught on film.

    Fine, some of his agenda is further left than we've heard for a while, but it's not new to America. It's not communism. Compared to some of the things Nixon did Bernie wouldn't seem as far left as compared to what we have today, which is creeping towards fascism. You so much as suggest that in any way a rich person should pay a higher tax for anything anywhere near a Republican and they'll brand Commie on your forehead and then shoot you for hating America.
    Our country has moved right since Nixon. Significantly right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    But we see ourselves as exceptional, and we have a strong anti-government streak that other liberal democracies don't share. Just look at the language GOPers are able to get away with in describing government: "swamp" is the new one. According to our SCOTUS, it is. And quite successful.

    According to our SCOTUS, it's an UNCONSTITUTIONAL idea. Again, our SCOTUS. They don't consider something "corrupt" unless there's an actual bad guy handing an actual politician a bag of money while the pol says "I'll vote the way you want." And they get caught on film.

    Our country has moved right since Nixon. Significantly right.
    Yet had more democratic presidents than GOP ones since then? Why are we moving further right? Boomers aging? Something else?
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