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    Bernie's Popularity Soars -- Except With Democrats

    If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.

    A new Fox News poll out this week shows Sanders has a +28 net favorability rating among the US population, dwarfing all other elected politicians on both ends of the political spectrum. And he’s even more popular among the vaunted “independents”, where he is at a mind boggling +41.

    This poll is not just an aberration. Look at this Huffington Post chart that has tracked Sanders’ favorability rating over time, ever since he gained national prominence in 2015 when he started running for the Democratic nomination. The more people got to know him, they more they liked him – the exact opposite of what his critics said would happen when he was running against Clinton.

    One would think with numbers like that, Democratic politicians would be falling all over themselves to be associated with Sanders, especially considering the party as a whole is more unpopular than the Republicans and even Donald Trump right now. Yet instead of embracing his message, the establishment wing of the party continues to resist him at almost every turn, and they seem insistent that they don’t have to change their ways to gain back the support of huge swaths of the country.

    Politico ran a story just this week featuring Democratic officials fretting over the fact that Sanders supporters may upend their efforts to retake governorships in southern states by insisting those candidates adopt Sanders’ populist policies – seemingly oblivious to the fact that Sanders plays well in some of those states too.

    Sanders’ effect on Trump voters can be seen in a gripping town hall this week that MSNBC’s Chris Hayes hosted with him in West Virginia – often referred to as “Trump country” – where the crowd ended up giving him a rousing ovation after he talked about healthcare being a right of all people and that we are the only industrialized nation in the world who doesn’t provide healthcare as a right to all its people.

    But hand wringing by Democratic officials over 2018 candidates is really just the latest example: the establishment wing of the party aggressively ran another opponent against Keith Ellison, Sanders’ choice to run the Democratic National Committee, seemingly with the primary motivation to keep the party away from Sanders’ influence.

    They’ve steadfastly refused to take giant corporations head on in the public sphere and wouldn’t even return to an Obama-era rule that banned lobbyist money from funding the DNC that was rescinded last year. And despite the broad popularity of the government guaranteeing health care for everyone, they still have not made any push for a Medicare-for-all plan that Sanders has long called for as a rebuttal to Republicans’ attempt to dismantle Obamacare.

    Democrats seem more than happy to put all the blame of the 2016 election on a combination of Russia and James Comey and have engaged in almost zero introspection on the root causes of the larger reality: they are also out of power in not the presidency, but both also houses of Congress, governorships and state houses across the country as well.


    As Politico reported on the Democrats’ post-Trump strategy in February, “Democratic aides say they will eventually shift to a positive economic message that Rust Belt Democrats can run on”. However: “For now, aides say, the focus is on slaying the giant and proving to the voters who sent Trump into the White House why his policies will fail.”

    In other words, they’re doubling down on the exact same failing strategy that Clinton used in the final months of the campaign. Sanders himself put it this way in his usual blunt style in an interview with New York magazine this week – when asked about whether the Democrats can adapt to the political reality, he said: “There are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats.”

    In the long term, change may be coming for Democrats whether they like it or not. Sanders loyalists are quietly attempting to take over many local Democratic party positions around the country. While Ellison lost the race for the DNC chair, it was incredibly close – closer than Sanders came to beating Clinton. And Sanders’ supporters are already organizing primary challenges to incumbent Democrats who aren’t sufficiently opposing Trump.

    One thing’s for sure: Democrats who refuse to change do so at their peril.
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    I will never vote for any Democrat who does not support universal care, and so far, this means I will never vote for any Democrat here in NE Ohio.

    Evolve or become extinct, you jackasses.
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    I told this story before but I have a good friend who for as long as I have known her, has talked forever about having universal healthcare, free state college tuition, govt funded daycare etc. Her daughter is also great friends with mine and they both became huge Bernie fans early last year when he decided to run. Campaigned for him, donated you name it. Of course she figured her mom would support Bernie, but she found out she didn't. It really upset her daughter a lot. After the election, they kind of stopped speaking because the daughter blamed the mom for not supporting Bernie as she felt he would have beaten Trump. At one point I asked the mom why she didn't like Bernie because he stood for everything she had wanted. She just said the time wasn't ready, it would take time to have those things. I just couldn't understand her. Why when she could have voted for what she had always wanted, she chickened out? Never made sense to me. I guess maybe some feel he pushes these things too quickly and aggressively? Some also feel he hasn't paid the price and been a democrat all along. But now those same people worry we will go backward with Trump. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I told this story before but I have a good friend who for as long as I have known her, has talked forever about having universal healthcare, free state college tuition, govt funded daycare etc. Her daughter is also great friends with mine and they both became huge Bernie fans early last year when he decided to run. Campaigned for him, donated you name it. Of course she figured her mom would support Bernie, but she found out she didn't. It really upset her daughter a lot. After the election, they kind of stopped speaking because the daughter blamed the mom for not supporting Bernie as she felt he would have beaten Trump. At one point I asked the mom why she didn't like Bernie because he stood for everything she had wanted. She just said the time wasn't ready, it would take time to have those things. I just couldn't understand her. Why when she could have voted for what she had always wanted, she chickened out? Never made sense to me. I guess maybe some feel he pushes these things too quickly and aggressively? Some also feel he hasn't paid the price and been a democrat all along. But now those same people worry we will go backward with Trump. Go figure.
    Attitudes have significantly changed in just a matter of weeks, with Trump in office. The time has never been better to fight for universal care. And what do we get from Democrats?

    *Crickets*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Attitudes have significantly changed in just a matter of weeks, with Trump in office. The time has never been better to fight for universal care. And what do we get from Democrats?

    *Crickets*.
    What I find interesting is some dems jumped off the Bernie train when they found out he was popular with some republicans. Someone here actually said, "I could never vote for him now knowing "cons" like him, plus he isn't a true democrat." Its really bizarre. Back in 2008, I took a democrat ballot in the primaries(we can do that here in NH) so I could vote for Obama. All the dems I knew thought it was cool and that he would be more likely to win if some moderates also voted for him. Now its bizarroland with Bernie. I have lived in New England for a long time now and I lived in Vermont when Bernie was mayor of Burlington. Guess what? Republicans vote for him there all the time and always have.
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    Bernie is too old to try again isn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Bernie is too old to try again isn't he?
    Who knows? I would have thought he was too old this past time. But he had more energy than anybody. Guess it will depend on what kind of mood the public is in a few years.
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    I am sure Pelosi and Shumer just have to call for a vote and the Republicans will fall in line for it. Republicans are not allowing Democrats to offer a single amendment or vote on a fucking thing, they have total control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...mocratic-party

    I will never vote for any Democrat who does not support universal care, and so far, this means I will never vote for any Democrat here in NE Ohio.

    Evolve or become extinct, you jackasses.
    I know it's the Guardian, but your link is odd. It claims that the Dem party is more unpopular than Trump or the GOP "right now," but when I go to the link, I get just a portion of a poll (it starts at question #6) that doesn't identify any information about the poll--not even the dates when it was taken. It shows Trump's popular as -2, which is about one-third his actual negative number right now. It also puts the 'right track/wrong track' number in positive territory, where it hasn't been in a decade.

    I'm sure the denizens of the Guardian would like to pull the country way further left, but I admire the Dems for not doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Bernie is too old to try again isn't he?
    Who cares, at this point? We need universal care NOW. Democrats COULD deliver it by 2018, if they organized and pushed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Who cares, at this point? We need universal care NOW. Democrats COULD deliver it by 2018, if they organized and pushed.
    I favor single-payer, but we're not CLOSE to being politically ready for such a thing. It will require a serious breakdown in our health care system--the kind of thing that affects everyone, including people like me who have great health care through work. Only when people like me see their health care threatened will we be ready for such a drastic change.

    Fortunately (well, unfortunately for me), it looks like the GOP may deliver just such a breakdown. They won't be able to pass their alternative, but they WILL be able to eliminate all the taxes that support Obamacare and remove the threat of fines for those who don't participate. That will result in the death spiral they've wanted for so long and may drag the rest of us down with it, since the money to pay for all those ER visits will have to come from somewhere.

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