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    Progressives See Progress In Virginia

    The liberal showdown in Virginia's gubernatorial race played out earlier this month in Northern Virginia, where Democrat Ralph Northam met with workers at Ronald Reagan National Airport who were campaigning for a $15-per-hour minimum wage.

    "We need to work hard to increase the minimum wage," he told NBC News after the event, later adding: "I've been fighting for progressive values in Virginia for the last 10 years."

    The very next day, his primary opponent Tom Perriello made the same visit - and his campaign told NBC that he had embraced raising the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour before Northam did.

    Say hello to the 2017 Democratic gubernatorial primary in Virginia, which increasingly has become a contest to see which candidate is more progressive. And say goodbye to the more centrist Virginia Democratic playbook that current Sen. Mark Warner and Tim Kaine and Jim Webb, to lesser degrees used successfully in the state over the last 16 years.

    Northam, the state's lieutenant governor, has touted his record fighting the state's transvaginal ultrasound legislation in 2012, as well as pushing for gun-safety reforms.

    Perriello, a former Democratic congressman, talks about achieving criminal-justice reform, combating a "rigged" economy and fighting against the Trump administration's "white tribalism."

    And it all raises the question: Just how blue is the state that Democrats have won in three-straight presidential elections? Or is it still purple, given the Republicans' control of the state legislature and their gubernatorial victory there eight years ago?

    Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, says Perriello's surprise entry in the contest earlier this year Northam originally expected no serious competition in the June 13 Democratic primary made it a race to the left.

    "No question Perriello is dragging Northam to the left," Sabato said. "Actually, Northam has moved left during the McAuliffe administration, even before Perriello announced. But now Northam has to stress all of his liberal positions some of which, on gun control and abortion, may be more to the left than Perriello's record."

    But Sabato also notes that President Trump's unpopularity in Virginia a poll last month had his approval rating at 38 percent in the state could overshadow this Democratic competition over who is more progressive.

    "Trump may generate a larger turnout than usual than usual among Democrats come November. The larger the turnout, the likelier the electorate will resemble last November, and the better the [Democratic] nominee's chances," he said.

    Northam, a doctor and Army veteran, says he isn't concerned about a primary dragging the eventual Democratic nominee to the left. "These are things that I've fought for my whole life," he told NBC. "And as a lot of people know, I ran in a very conservative district," referring to his days as a state senator.

    Perriello's campaign has a similar response, arguing that pursuing priorities like a $15-per-hour minimum wage "is a fight we welcome" given that it's something even some Trump backers support, says Perriello spokesman Ian Sams.

    "Of the two candidates running in the primary, Tom brings bolder arguments than Ralph has brought," Sams adds. "We welcome an argument who can be the most bold."

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    Virginia Democrats Run to The Left in Key 2017 Race - NBC News

    Embracing progressive ideas is a WINNING strategy for Democrats. How many old corporate whores can be rehabilitated is an open question. But if the party wants to retake a power position in ANY state, it has to stand for the very people who know now, Trump and the GOP has betrayed them: the working man and the poor.

    It's not "chancey" to embrace progressive ideas anymore. It's the only way to win, for Democrats.

    Leave Hillary in the dustbin of history, where she belongs.

    Your thoughts?

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    Is Virginia a state where progressives can win? That's really the issue. The dem running was considered a pretty safe bet against Gillespie. I just don't know. So many democrats ran from Sanders citing he was "too far left" and such so I really cant say here. I do recall back when the tea party was having their victories that they primaried a safe republican in Delaware with that woman who claimed she was a witch. The GOP ended up losing a sure thing. That's the danger in some of these states with far left candidates running. They certainly can win primaries, but the question is can they win a general? Will the moderate dems get nervous and vote for a GOP or just stay home?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Is Virginia a state where progressives can win? That's really the issue. The dem running was considered a pretty safe bet against Gillespie. I just don't know. So many democrats ran from Sanders citing he was "too far left" and such so I really cant say here. I do recall back when the tea party was having their victories that they primaried a safe republican in Delaware with that woman who claimed she was a witch. The GOP ended up losing a sure thing. That's the danger in some of these states with far left candidates running. They certainly can win primaries, but the question is can they win a general? Will the moderate dems get nervous and vote for a GOP or just stay home?
    Honestly, I have no idea. That isn't a part of the country I feel like I have any special insight into.

    Ohio has now got 4 Democrats (none progressive) and one Republican running for governor. Hopefully, we can get a progressive in the race but it seems unlikely they could win the primary.

    And for some reason, Republicans seem to have doubts they can keep the governor's office.

    It's a crap shoot!
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    You guys sure waste a lot of time discussing what Dems do. Is that trying to avoid the Russians and Donald Trump? You know the guy rabid Berniebots helped elect?.
    How about the news of the day?

    The Trump/ Russian election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    You guys sure waste a lot of time discussing what Dems do. Is that trying to avoid the Russians and Donald Trump? You know the guy rabid Berniebots helped elect?.
    How about the news of the day?

    The Trump/ Russian election?
    Not sure how this applies. Are Democrats meant to do nothing whatever until the treason and bribery charges are sorted out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Not sure how this applies. Are Democrats meant to do nothing whatever until the treason and bribery charges are sorted out?
    Democrats are doing plenty. They won seats in Congress.But for now you better worry about the guy you helped put in office. He may be well on the way to a treason charge.

    The 2018 election is 2 years from now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Democrats are doing plenty. They won seats in Congress.But for now you better worry about the guy you helped put opinion office. He may be well on the way to a treason charge.

    The 2018 election is 2 years from now.
    I didn't put Trump in office.

    I think you are correct -- criminal charges are likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I didn't put Trump in office.

    I think you are correct -- criminal charges are likely.
    Yes,you did. Deny it all you want. Your many Hillary hate posts flooded this board for months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Virginia Democrats Run to The Left in Key 2017 Race - NBC News

    Embracing progressive ideas is a WINNING strategy for Democrats. How many old corporate whores can be rehabilitated is an open question. But if the party wants to retake a power position in ANY state, it has to stand for the very people who know now, Trump and the GOP has betrayed them: the working man and the poor.

    It's not "chancey" to embrace progressive ideas anymore. It's the only way to win, for Democrats.

    Leave Hillary in the dustbin of history, where she belongs.

    Your thoughts?
    LMAO ....

    More fake news from NBC.

    Let me ask you something, Madeline.

    How has that "winning strategy" worked out for the Democrats the last 6 years?

    Keep in mind you are reading fake news from NBC.

    The results in the last four elections is all the evidence you need to know how this so called "Democratic Strategy" is working.

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    Progressive policy has cost the Democrats 1,042 Seats in the last 8 years. loss of the White House loss of 38 state legislatures, loss of the senate, House and POTUs and 31 Governorships.

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