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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    You really should look at your sources; not just blindly quote whatever bubbles to the top of a search list.

    That number comes the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group seeking reduced immigration. And they took a LOT of liberties in their calculations.

    Politifact went through the report, piece by piece. Read it for yourself. If you're having trouble reaching the site, here's a cached link.
    You whine about a source...then cite 'Politifact'. fucking laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    More than HALF this "cost" is paid by undocumented people because, as to education, they pay property taxes just as any other resident of California does (unless they are homeless).

    As to the $4 billion spent on healthcare, in NE Ohio, my hospitals are supported by local and states taxes, as well as federal taxes and insurance proceeds, Obviously, undocumented people pay local and state taxes just as a residents do. California (like every state) pays 50% of the cost of its Medicaid program and some undocumented people do participate, but they do so at a rate 37% lower than citizens of their income levels,

    This author includes the "remittance payments", or money earned by undocumented people and then sent to their families in Latin America. There is no lost tax cost associated with such payments.

    This author includes about $5 billion for criminal justice costs associated with undocumented people. This is a lower cost than citizens impose, as undocumented people commit far fewer and less serious crimes. (We battled this topic out at length some time back, but I cannot find the thread.)

    It's VERY easy to shade the truth on this subject dramatically by employing a little sloppy reasoning. FAIR, which published this artiucle, has an extreme anti-immigrant POPV and that bias also undercuts this author's conclusions.

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    You might want to look at the sources used. Pew Research, the Federation for American Immigration reform,and Bureau of Labor Statistics. All reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    a recurring expense of over $100 billion dollars a year, and the transferral of $50 billion a year from the US economy to Mexico's economy...

    or the expense of effective border security infrastructure and ramping up deportations.

    Which might you surmise would be less of a burden on taxpayers?
    You cannot isolate those impacts and compare them, to any useful purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    You might want to look at the sources used. Pew Research, the Federation for American Immigration reform,and Bureau of Labor Statistics. All reliable.
    I did. Let's just look at the cost of educating undocumented students. Do you disagree that their parents also pay property taxes, just as citizens do, via rent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Please explain this. In what context are the employers paying into the social security fund? It's withheld from the pay of illegal immigrants earning paychecks.
    All employers match your SS with holding, it is all paid in under the SS number used. Your tax with holding for SS is 6.2% and the employer also pays 6.2%. Same with medicare @ 1.45%.

    https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10024.pdf

    The payments do not go into the SS funds, they go into a separate account called an Earnings Suspense File until the numbers are either matched or claimed and corrected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    All employers match your SS with holding, it is all paid in under the SS number used. Your tax with holding for SS is 6.2% and the employer also pays 6.2%. Same with medicare @ 1.45%.

    https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10024.pdf

    The payments do not go into the SS funds, they go into a separate account called an Earnings Suspense File until the numbers are either matched or claimed and corrected.
    Correct.

    What is your point, sir?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I did. Let's just look at the cost of educating undocumented students. Do you disagree that their parents also pay property taxes, just as citizens do, via rent?
    Nobody is denying those renting or owning pay property tax, the issue is do they pay enough to cover their children's costs especially when ELS classes are required to catch them up, or additional time is spent on those children because of language barriers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Correct.

    What is your point, sir?
    I was responding to Djinn answering his question to me. Obviously not everybody understands how deductions are taken and who pays what. :SHRUG:
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    Nobody is denying those renting or owning pay property tax, the issue is do they pay enough to cover their children's costs especially when ELS classes are required to catch them up, or additional time is spent on those children because of language barriers?
    Probably. One of my biggest criticisms of public k-12 education is the funding is local, and therefore, irrational. School districts don't run deficits.

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