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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    I was responding to Djinn answering his question to me. Obviously not everybody understands how deductions are taken and who pays what. :SHRUG:
    Okie dokie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    You whine about a source...then cite 'Politifact'. fucking laughable.
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    Cost of Illegal Immigrants
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I did. Let's just look at the cost of educating undocumented students. Do you disagree that their parents also pay property taxes, just as citizens do, via rent?
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    Renters don't pay property taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I did. Let's just look at the cost of educating undocumented students. Do you disagree that their parents also pay property taxes, just as citizens do, via rent?
    Yes, I disagree.. Illegals do not pay property taxes. They cannot own property. The OWNERS pay property tax weather it's rented or not. I'm tired of people using that fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    Yes, I disagree.. Illegals do not pay property taxes. They cannot own property. The OWNERS pay property tax weather it's rented or not. I'm tired of people using that fallacy.
    Ms. Bronwyn,

    Illegals can own property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
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    Government spending =/= taxes paid. These are two separate sides of a simple calculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    Yes, I disagree.. Illegals do not pay property taxes. They cannot own property. The OWNERS pay property tax weather it's rented or not. I'm tired of people using that fallacy.
    Then you disagree with the entire science of economics. The landlord passes on the cost of property taxes to his tenants, always, as a rational person.

    And there is no reason a foreign person cannot own property in the US. Just ask the Chinese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Then you disagree with the entire science of economics. The landlord passes on the cost of property taxes to his tenants, always, as a rational person.

    And there is no reason a foreign person cannot own property in the US. Just ask the Chinese.
    Ms. Madeline,

    Do you mean the same property taxes the landlord would pay, regardless of if the property was rented or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I am always surprised to see undocumented workers actually working for companies that cut taxes. You would think they would be scared to death to expose themselves like this. How do they get around the I9 form? When I start a new college online, I have to complete a I9 and have it notarized. If I were to sneak across the border to Mexico, I would be terrified for a long time before I surfaced.
    They use fictious SSNs, for the most part. Mexico does a vastly superior job of detecting illegals and deporting them, compared to the US, but it has a much smaller problem.

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    Quite possibly the best nonpartisan source for this debate is the Congressional Budget Office which did a study and concluded that if undocumented immigrants cost us any money, the cost was "modest:"

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...mmigration.pdf

    Virtually every study I've read continues to leave out the entire equation. The real reason employers choose foreigner laborers is that they produce more work for less money. So, you have to factor in the productivity advantage.

    Next, you have to figure in the benefit the individual gets from having access to lower costs, making otherwise prohibitively expensive jobs within reach of lower and middle income Americans.

    Finally, I've gone over this many times yet both sides dabble in myths. According to the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, up to 75 percent of undocumented workers get their own Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the same taxes that you do. The myths that most undocumented workers use fake SSNs is pure fantasy.
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