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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Nice, using a fake news site to bolster your "claims".
    https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/audit...01141061fr.pdf

    Individuals Who Are
    Not Authorized to
    Work in the United States Were Paid
    $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits

    The payment of Federal funds through
    residency, and that questionable Child Tax
    this tax benefit appears to provide an additional
    Credit (CTC) and ACTC claims on ITIN returns
    incentive for aliens to enter, reside, and work in
    the United States without authorization, which
    IRS should also notify taxpayers when their
    contradicts Federal law and policy to remove
    SSNs are compromised and ensure that
    such incentives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    From your link:
    If you read the report in my link you would realize that unauthorized workers covers more than just illegal immigrants. You have women that failed to change their names to match their SS numbers from marriage or divorce, you have people here on visas working past their authorized working dates, you have actual illegals using fake/stolen/forged SS#'s, etc.
    Question:
    What is the dollar amount of payroll taxes paid by unauthorized workers and their employers for the latest tax year?
    Response:
    We estimate $13 billion in OASDI pay-roll taxes from unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers in 2010. This number reflects earnings for those with no recorded SSN, those who have obtained an SSN with fraudulent identification, and those with legitimate SSNs who have overstayed temporary visas.
    The money goes into an Earnings Suspense File, it does not go into the SS fund. Half of the money is paid by the employer. :SHRUG:
    In this case, the reported earnings show up with a mismatch between name and SSN and thus would be assigned to the Earnings Suspense File. Due to this mismatch, the worker (and employer) would be paying payroll taxes, but the earnings would not be credited toward later receipt of benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Estimating the portion of all 2010 OASDI benefit payments that will be based on prior unauthorized earnings is even more problematic than estimating current unauthorized earnings. In general, we believe that the evidence
    indicates a relatively small portion of those who potentially could draw benefits do so.

    While unauthorized immigrants worked and contributed as much as $13 billion in payroll taxes to the OASDIprogram in 2010, only about $1 billion in benefit payments during 2010 are attributable to unauthorized work.

    Thus, we estimate that earnings by unauthorized immigrants result in a net positive effect on Social Security financial status generally, and that this effect contributed roughly $12 billion to the cash flow of the program for 2010. We estimate that future years will experience a continuation of this positive impact on the trust funds.

    Ooops, Djinn beat me to it
    You do realize that unauthorized workers includes more than just illegal immigrants, right?

    Your first underlined section in paragraph one relates back to Totalization Agreements I referred to earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I agree, for the most part. However, whatever the differential may be in anyone's opinion, that can be leveled out by turning undocumented people into legal residents and citizens as quickly and cheaply as possible.
    If you make illegals into Residents and citizens as quickly as possible then they become even more of a burden, they can then obtain any and all welfare programs that they could qualify for. Your idea does nothing to level out the costs incurred already and only adds to their social costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/audit...01141061fr.pdf

    Individuals Who Are
    Not Authorized to
    Work in the United States Were Paid
    $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits
    "appears to provide"??

    Recommendation 1: The Commissioner, Wage and Investment Division, should work with
    the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Tax Policy to seek clarification on whether or not
    refundable tax credits (or the refundable portion of tax credits) such as the ACTC may be paid to
    those who are not authorized to work in the United States.
    If these credits may not be paid, math
    error authority is needed for the IRS to disallow associated claims for the credits. Based on
    claims made in Processing Year 2010, disallowance of the ACTC to filers without a valid SSN
    would reduce Federal outlays by approximately $8.4 billion over 2 years.16
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    You do realize that unauthorized workers includes more than just illegal immigrants, right?

    Your first underlined section in paragraph one relates back to Totalization Agreements I referred to earlier.
    And? Again...a relatively small portion of those who potentially could draw benefits do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    "appears to provide"??

    Recommendation 1: The Commissioner, Wage and Investment Division, should work with
    the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Tax Policy to seek clarification on whether or not
    refundable tax credits (or the refundable portion of tax credits) such as the ACTC may be paid to
    those who are not authorized to work in the United States.
    If these credits may not be paid, math
    error authority is needed for the IRS to disallow associated claims for the credits. Based on
    claims made in Processing Year 2010, disallowance of the ACTC to filers without a valid SSN
    would reduce Federal outlays by approximately $8.4 billion over 2 years.16
    Yep, billions paid out to those not authorized to work in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    And? Again...a relatively small portion of those who potentially could draw benefits do so.
    OK??? So you agree some unauthorized workers can use Totalization Agreements to receive SS benefits when they become eligible to receive them. yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    Sales/property/excise taxes aren't enough to cover the costs they create as claimed by the CBO report. They pay State income taxes? Some states don't have an income tax, and what states that do there is no showing that they actually pay any state income tax, many would receive back any state taxes they may have had with held, as they are entitled to claim the very same deductibles and credits as anybody else.

    It's not that they "owe" any tax or that they are not "paying" certain taxes, it's that what they may be paying in excise taxes isn't enough to cover their social costs. To date no State, including the Feds, show that they actually pay Income Tax. (Having tax deductions with held from a paycheck is not paying Income Tax, nor is filing a tax form using an ITIN/SS# considered paying taxes)
    Then they at least pay as much as citizens with similar incomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    OK??? So you agree some unauthorized workers can use Totalization Agreements to receive SS benefits when they become eligible to receive them. yay!
    Whut? No. Nobody can be paid over fraudulent FICA payments.

    I have no idea what you're referring to.

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