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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    But are following IRS rules and are filing tax returns as is required by law. Paying taxes as is required by law.

    If you are so opposed to this credit, have the IRS not obligate illegal aliens to pay taxes.

    No taxes, not credits.
    Mr. Drone,

    Or better yet, deport the illegals. No illegals, no credits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    I would say they are similar to those of the same income level, and pose as much and more of a burden on the additional residents of the local and state.
    No, because far fewer of them use any form of government aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    So then you are limiting those allowed to be granted citizenship to single persons who have never received any form of welfare or government assistance. You are down to allowing only DACA recipients the ability to legalize.
    Probably not never, but certainly anyone who chronically used government aid (apart from asylum seekers, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    How are they fraudulent FICA payments when they did work and have them deducted? They simply used fake/forged/stolen documents to get beyond the I-9 requirements. If those withholdings can be shown to be theirs they can, in some instances, receive those SS payments once they reach age requirements.
    I don't think you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    No, because far fewer of them use any form of government aid.
    Once they become legal they are entitled to ALL forms of welfare.

    They only use less now because they are limited in what they are allowed to apply for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I don't think you are correct.
    Then you haven't read the provided links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    Once they become legal they are entitled to ALL forms of welfare.

    They only use less now because they are limited in what they are allowed to apply for.
    Well, and to hide from ICE.

    You don't know what will happen when they gain citizenship. If history is a guide, the Reagan era immigrants did not settle into lives of hopeless poverty.

    So what do we know about what happened to that earlier wave of immigrants? Only a little bit -- and hardly enough to measure the impact of a massive government policy change. The Department of Labor sponsored two survey studies following up on several thousand of the IRCA immigrants -- in 1989 and then again in 1992, five years after the law went into effect.

    Those studies suggested that immigrants made significant wage gains in the years after legalization, many of them by obtaining better jobs. Government records also revealed over time how many of them became naturalized citizens. In 1996, the year the entire IRCA cohort was eligible, a quarter of a million were naturalized. By 2001, one-third of the entire group had been.

    These naturalization rates suggest that many immigrants may not have been looking for citizenship so much as economic stability. That trend, too, is in keeping with what many immigrants say of their long-term intentions.

    "When you talk to immigrants, many of them say that they plan in the long run to return home, to retire back to Mexico, to Central America," says Marc Rosenblum, the deputy director of the U.S. Immigration Program at the Migration Policy Institute. "They’re looking for short-term security."

    Mexican immigrants under IRCA were also the least likely to seek citizenship, mirroring a long-term pattern. Being closer to home, Rosenblum suggests, may make it feel easier to go back. Until the late 1990s, Mexico also didn't offer dual citizenship.

    Beyond the 1992 study, though, there is no survey data tracking how the following years unfolded. And there's similarly little known about the prospects over time of two smaller waves of immigrants granted reprieves -- in an effort to patch IRCA -- by Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

    "That means that we don’t know a lot about some of the things like how their children have fared, their participation in the political process, other non-economic indicators of well-being and integration and health," Rosenblum says. "There’s a whole long list of things that we don’t really know, especially over time."

    There's reason to suspect, however, that giving an immigrant legal status might impact much more than his or her job prospects. "There’s stress associated with the fear of deportation that would be reduced," Rosenblum says. And that implies that immigrants might have better health outcomes once that fear is removed — just as they'd have better outcomes thanks to access to health insurance that comes with better jobs.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.02c314d08e1b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, and to hide from ICE.

    You don't know what will happen when they gain citizenship. If history is a guide, the Reagan era immigrants did not settle into lives of hopeless poverty.




    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.02c314d08e1b
    From your link, all we know is that some had wage increases by obtaining better jobs. :SHRUG:
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    From your link, all we know is that some had wage increases by obtaining better jobs. :SHRUG:
    Ayup. The matter deserved more study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    That percentage would only increase if the other 25 percent (along with those already paying) were made into U.S. citizens. The complaint is that they don't pay taxes - yet they do. And, if they pay in, they are entitled to refunds. I continue to tell you, my U.S. Congressman (at the time) proposed a bill to eliminate the IRS and the income tax. Problem solved.
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