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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Sounds dramatic.

    In past experiences the event has been way over sensationalized. Is there something different about this one....??
    Well, two things. The GOP control of both chambers is razor-thin; a very few GOP defectors will defeat the extension bills.

    And, the 1990-2016 era budget wars were conducted to injure the POTUS, but no one seriously thought any of them was vulnerable to being forced out. In Trump's case, the convo is whether he can last any longer. The temptation to use the blunt object to put this hideous little administration down for good will be irressitible to most Congresspeople, of both parties (IMO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You're assuming people think like you and I. I live in Indiana. I keep running into people that keep saying the media is picking on trump. They also think his worst sin is speaking his mind.

    FOX news is doing it's best to shield trump voters from the truth.
    But the decision-makers are almost exclusively the media, and then the Congress and other power players in both national parties. They will act as fast as they think the mob is gathered and the pitchforks are waving.

    And without question,. the US media (apart from FOX) will be throwing molotov cocktails. They OPENLY hate Trump.

    Politicians are in their jobs because they crave power and prestige -- they fear the loss of their own careers more than almost anything (in general). "Party loyalty" is a myth; they act in concert only because they think that increases their individual power. They probably do have deeply-held overarching liberal vs. conservative views, but the driving force is maintaining and acquiring power.

    If you have seen House of Games, it is not an exaggeration (other than the murders.....I hope).
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    If the internet had existed in 1974, Nixon would have been expelled/forced to resign faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Nixon's resignation is the single biggest reason for the Carter/Mondale election in 1976. Two of the most liberal Democrats to hold those offices since FDR.
    I agree. Without Nixon, Carter would have never been elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I don't think they will have a shutdown. That's far too dangerous.
    No kidding.

    Republicans letting a shutdown happen on top of the rest of their clusterfuck?

    They know who will be blamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, two things. The GOP control of both chambers is razor-thin; a very few GOP defectors will defeat the extension bills.

    And, the 1990-2016 era budget wars were conducted to injure the POTUS, but no one seriously thought any of them was vulnerable to being forced out. In Trump's case, the convo is whether he can last any longer. The temptation to use the blunt object to put this hideous little administration down for good will be irressitible to most Congresspeople, of both parties (IMO).
    Agree that a lot of Congress is likely underwhelmed with Trump's performance and behavior. On both sides of the aisle.

    But sort of doubt the kind of crushing impact you are citing in the OP. During that last "shutdown" under Obama, I recall the White House had to manufacture outrage by shutting down tours/access to national monuments to the public.


    Political theater seems to be the biggest output of these shutdown spectacles. And it is not likely to last long. (Did Harry Reid ever submit a budget when he oversaw the Senate...??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Trumps developmental growth is that of a frat boy. It ended there for him. He still acts like he is living in the frat and not a 70 year old man.
    Less than that.

    A wanna-be frat boy.

    On the outside looking in, never understanding why the guys didn't want him along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    But the decision-makers are almost exclusively the media, and then the Congress and other power players in both national parties. They will act as fast as they think the mob is gathered and the pitchforks are waving.

    And without question,. the US media (apart from FOX) will be throwing molotov cocktails. They OPENLY hate Trump.

    Politicians are in their jobs because they crave power and prestige -- they fear the loss of their own careers more than almost anything (in general). "Party loyalty" is a myth; they act in concert only because they think that increases their individual power. They probably do have deeply-held overarching liberal vs. conservative views, but the driving force is maintaining and acquiring power.

    If you have seen House of Games, it is not an exaggeration (other than the murders.....I hope).
    Don't believe Foxnews is particularly fond of Trump either. (Aside from Hannity.)


    House of Cards??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    I agree. Without Nixon, Carter would have never been elected.
    Both due to the disastrous image of the GOP thanks to Nixon....and Gerald Ford's pardon of Nixon.


    BTW, if it came down to "President Pence" in 2020?....Pence wouldn't pardon Trump. Because he knows he owes Trump the same loyalty....

    that Trump would show to him if the situation was reversed....

    i.e. "None"
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Don't believe Foxnews is particularly fond of Trump either. (Aside from Hannity.)
    You forgot

    Doocy
    Kilmeade
    Ainsley Earnhardt
    Eric Bolling
    Jesse Watters
    Kimberly Guilfoyle
    Neil Cavuto
    Tucker Carlson
    .....pretty much every host of every show on Fox.


    ((BTW, don't try putting up ONE example ....like Krauthammer every 2nd Thursday...and pretending all my other examples don't exist. ))
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