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    What has led to terrorism has been the power plays, greed, national meddling, support of Fascist regimes, and exploitation by the powerful oligarchs in charge of many western nations - the United States in particular. The invasion of Iraq being one case in point, but there is a long and sorry history of European and American meddling since colonial times. The ideals of civilised nations never lead to terrorism - it is the uncivilised aims of nations for whom the profit motive is the be all and end all, which leads to revolt and terrorism.
    And you are implying that terrorism can only be the fault of the Western interference.

    That is historically ignorant.

    In fact, al-Qaeda was originally going after Saddam, not western nations. That had nothing to do with our interference.

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    Returning the the Op, I remind you that long before 2001, Al Qeada attempted to bring the Twin Towers down with a car bomb in the underground parking garage. In fact, attempts to destroy the buoding made by Al Qeada occurred as far back as 1983.

    Remembering the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing - History in the Headlines

    US safety experts, etc. issued a report thereafter, in which they specifically recommended that the US taken steps to secure the Towers against aeronautical attacks.

    CRISIS AT THE TWIN TOWERS - The Garage - Panel Warned in 1985 of Vulnerability of Center's Parking to Bombing - NYTimes.com

    These recommendations were not adopted because of institutional resistance to the idea that IT COULD HAPPEN HERE. That Osama Bin Laden would be so bold as to make a terror attack on US soil, against a internally recognizable symbol of US power.

    That FAILURE OF IMAGINATION killed thousands of Americans. It is still putting us at risk today. We do not want to ponder on the vulnerability of our water supply, nuclear power plants, childrens' schools. etc. and for you and I, that might be fine. Personally, I don't think the head in sand routine is ever best, but if you must do so to avoid major panic attacks, so be it.

    However, I want the men and women running our so-far-as-I-can-tell fucking USELESS Homeland Security Agency to sit down with the Mossad and MI-6 and any other source of expertise, and see how those who have been most viciously and repeatedly attacked by terrorists have learned to cope, and adopt their best practices.

    IOW, I want the people charged with keeping us safe to be CAPABLE and WILLING to imagine what terrorists might do next.

    This is SUPPOSED to be one of the blessings the US derives from its memberships in NATO, INTERPOL, etc.

    "It Can't Happen Here" should be viewed as the motto of terrorists' sympathizers among us, not that of patriotic Americans.
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    That is ridiculous, everyone knows it could happen here. We have trying to warn the left of this for ages. Its part of the reason we support a larger and more powerful law enforcement presence to deal with these threats, it's why we don't want terrorists released as Obama did, its why we formed the DHS.

    We have been advocating this since OC happened.

    The point here is that Beyoncé is going to an area that is considered dangerous now, not about that terrorism is also in the US.

    If you'll notice, Europe is having far, far more problems with terrorism than the US is currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    And you are implying that terrorism can only be the fault of the Western interference.

    That is historically ignorant.

    In fact, al-Qaeda was originally going after Saddam, not western nations. That had nothing to do with our interference.
    It should be obvious that I was responding to the specific claims made in this post (particularly as I quoted it in my response).

    The widespread policy of immigration filtering throughout western Europe. While it is not universal there is an overwhelming standard throughout the region. Immigration acceptance in that region today is a liberal idea.

    You also have the acceptance of universal healthcare throughout the region.

    Another part of the liberal agenda.

    Same thing for education, workers rights, taxes..........its all tied into the liberal agenda which is how that area is leaning. While you can find examples that contradict it from a geopolitical view there is no denying it. These ideals have led to the rise of terrorism in that region making it more unstable and hence, more dangerous.
    Wherein you state that the 'liberal' ideals of universal healthcare, education, and workers rights (amongst other things), have led to the rise of terrorism in that region, and presumably, by extension, elsewhere. This simply does not make sense.

    Terrorism has always been a response by the otherwise powerless to perceived injustice, and I am not entirely sure what ISIS and Al Qaeda are doing is terrorism. It seems closer to criminal barbarism to me - there are no political aims or demands for justice accompanying their criminal acts. Their sole purpose appears to be religious and social domination, by means of murder, cruelty, and other criminal acts.

    But such people aside, there has been terrorism before, and there will be terrorism in the future, as long as some people see no prospect of justice, and to claim that social goods, such as education, health care, and workers' rights, are the causes of terrorism is nothing short of lunatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The widespread policy of immigration filtering throughout western Europe. While it is not universal there is an overwhelming standard throughout the region. Immigration acceptance in that region today is a liberal idea.

    You also have the acceptance of universal healthcare throughout the region.

    Another part of the liberal agenda.

    Same thing for education, workers rights, taxes..........its all tied into the liberal agenda which is how that area is leaning. While you can find examples that contradict it from a geopolitical view there is no denying it. [b]These ideals have led to the rise of terrorism in that region making it more unstable and hence, more dangerous.[/I]
    That is absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Anything can happen anywhere but its not always equal.

    There is more of a chance of me being mugged in Detroit then a small town in Oregon even though it could happen in both places.

    Sorry but the liberal agenda of Europe has made that region far more unsafe.
    As a black man, do you think you would be safe in Vidor, Texas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    That is ridiculous, everyone knows it could happen here. We have trying to warn the left of this for ages. Its part of the reason we support a larger and more powerful law enforcement presence to deal with these threats, it's why we don't want terrorists released as Obama did, its why we formed the DHS.

    We have been advocating this since OC happened.

    The point here is that Beyoncé is going to an area that is considered dangerous now, not about that terrorism is also in the US.

    If you'll notice, Europe is having far, far more problems with terrorism than the US is currently.
    It's gotten to where, the latest attack before Manchester, I didn't even pay much attention. Oh, that. Again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    In fact, al-Qaeda was originally going after Saddam, not western nations. That had nothing to do with our interference.
    No, that is not true.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief...sama_bin_Laden
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    I'm completely dumbfounded.

    Am I the only person on this website that is aware there was a bombing of the Boston Marathon, a couple thousand people killed on 911-, school shootings all the time, Oklahoma City, the Unibomber, a couple cops killed with blades....

    I'm genuinely, thoroughly confused what the hell you people are talking about.

    "It could happen here".... ummmm. You mean.... Again?
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    Yeah Spooky, makes total sense.

    70 mass murders with terrorist agendas happen in the US because hey, shit happens, but one happens in Manchester it's THEIR fault.

    Totally logical.
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