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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The SCOTUS says yes, as long as the protesters do not block access on the part of patients.

    Shout abuse, wave images of dead babies. As long as patients can go in an out, that protesters' conduct is protected.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/u...l?mcubz=0&_r=0

    There is no constitutionally protected right not to see or hear things from your fellow citizen that a reasonable person might find upsetting.

    CONTENT of the speech is almost always irrelevant to the extent of any citizen's rights.
    Got it, they key is not blocking access? So can you block my entrance to a Trump Rally? Can you block a street?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So you admit that cancelling an event to avoid protesters is not violating anyone's rights.
    You are posting gibberish.

    Back to ignore, Spooky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Got it, they key is not blocking access? So can you block my entrance to a Trump Rally? Can you block a street?
    Constitutionally? I can do quite a lot.

    These are never clear cut, hard and fast rules, SD. Read the Chicago Convention Riot article I linked above. Those arrested by the police as having been the leaders were convicted at trial of such crimes as crossing state lines to incite a riot, but EVERY ONE of those convictions was thrown out on appeal. The only party that "incited" that riot was Mayor Daley and the Chicago PD.

    http://www.famous-trials.com/chicago8/1366-home

    Even as to the 1992 LA riots -- over 100 dead, 3 days of violence, $3 billion in property damage -- the fault lies with the police, not the protesters.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/wa...4-la-olympics/

    Police Chief Darryl Gates was forced to resign, and is widely regarded worldwide as the worst police chief in US history.

    If you don't know, Gates received the news that the officers arrested for beating Rodney Kind had been acquitted, and then immediately ORDERED every LAPD office to leave South Central LA, and refused to reverse that decision for 3 days. Over an open radio mike. The cops were understandably confused and reluctant to leave, and those calls to their supervisors also went out over the open radio, so that instantly, the media and the citizens knew Gates' decision.

    It was the equivalent of dropping a small A-bomb on South Central.

    One of the many heroes of the LA riots are a small group of cops who defied Gates, risked their careers and of course, getting killed, to rescue citizens near them.

    Obviously many citizens also acted heroically.

    Thanks to news helicopters, EVERYONE could see the riots as they unfolded, even up to the details of the faces of the people involved.

    The government cannot "set up" a section of this country as a "no-go" zone for law and order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Constitutionally? I can do quite a lot.

    These are never clear cut, hard and fast rules, SD. Read the Chicago Convention Riot article I linked above. Those arrested by the police as having been the leaders were convicted at trial of such crimes as crossing state lines to incite a riot, but EVERY ONE of those convictions was thrown out on appeal. The only party that "incited" that riot was Mayor Daley and the Chicago PD.

    The Chicago Eight Conspiracy Trial: An Account

    Even as to the 1992 LA riots -- over 100 dead, 3 days of violence, $3 billion in property damage -- the fault lies with the police, not the protesters.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/wa...4-la-olympics/

    Police Chief Darryl Gates was forced to resign, and is widely regarded worldwide as the worst police chief in US history.

    If you don;t know, Gates received the news that the officers arrested for beating Rodney Kind had been acquitted, and then ORDERED every LAPD office to leave South Central LA, and refused to reverse that decision for 3 days.

    One of the many heroes of the LA riots are a small group of cops who defied Gates, risked their careers and of course, getting killed, to rescue citizens near them.

    Obviously many citizens also acted heroically.

    Thanks to news helicopters, EVERYONE could see the riots as they unfolded, even up to the details of the faces of the people involved.

    The government cannot "set up" a section of this country as a "no-go" zone for law and order.
    That was a response to the protestors, it didn't cause to begin rioting. The police were outnumbered and their lives in danger so yes, you can pull out cops.

    It's like saying an army should never retreat.

    There would have been many more dead cops if that order hadn't been issued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Constitutionally? I can do quite a lot.

    These are never clear cut, hard and fast rules, SD. Read the Chicago Convention Riot article I linked above. Those arrested by the police as having been the leaders were convicted at trial of such crimes as crossing state lines to incite a riot, but EVERY ONE of those convictions was thrown out on appeal. The only party that "incited" that riot was Mayor Daley and the Chicago PD.

    The Chicago Eight Conspiracy Trial: An Account

    Even as to the 1992 LA riots -- over 100 dead, 3 days of violence, $3 billion in property damage -- the fault lies with the police, not the protesters.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/wa...4-la-olympics/

    Police Chief Darryl Gates was forced to resign, and is widely regarded worldwide as the worst police chief in US history.

    If you don't know, Gates received the news that the officers arrested for beating Rodney Kind had been acquitted, and then immediately ORDERED every LAPD office to leave South Central LA, and refused to reverse that decision for 3 days. Over an open radio mike. The cops were understandably confused and reluctant to leave, and those calls to their supervisors also went out over the open radio, so that instantly, the media and the citizens knew Gates' decision.

    It was the equivalent of dropping a small A-bomb on South Central.

    One of the many heroes of the LA riots are a small group of cops who defied Gates, risked their careers and of course, getting killed, to rescue citizens near them.

    Obviously many citizens also acted heroically.

    Thanks to news helicopters, EVERYONE could see the riots as they unfolded, even up to the details of the faces of the people involved.

    The government cannot "set up" a section of this country as a "no-go" zone for law and order.
    Parker did much the same thing with the Watts Riots. I read a great book about LA cops recently, LA Noir. Go read it, what a history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No, it does not. When you start harassing others, stopping people, impeding traffic, it isn't a free speech protected rally but a mob.
    None of the actions you listed are denial of free speech nor are they actions by government.

    There are civil and criminal laws that address the actions you listed... not the 1st amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    This thread isn't about people protesting, it's about cancelling an event where protesters will be.

    There is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't violate anyone's rights.
    If this thread is about cancelling an event, then take the "free speech" argument out.

    Cities, Counties, and States have established all sorts of rules and regulations based on "safety".

    The city is asking officials in the Trump camp to consider cancelling his rally because they are not sure they can provide adequate security.

    The decision is with the Trump camp.


    Everyone's side issues are not relevant to what Portland has claimed. As of right now...no one's 1st amendment rights have been violated nor has anyone from the city of Portland suggested that anyone's 1st amendment right be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Parker did much the same thing with the Watts Riots. I read a great book about LA cops recently, LA Noir. Go read it, what a history.
    Also true as to the "race riots" of the 1960's.

    Is this the book you recommend, sir?


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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Maybe the mayor needs to be told that the Portland murderer was actually a Bernie supporter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    THE PORTLAND MURDER SAID THIS ON HIS FACE BOOK PAGE:

    "If Donald Trump is the Next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question. All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ's teaching of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!! Does this make me a fascist!!!"

    And so on: "If you support Israel for Zionist homeland for Jews then you should also support Cascadia as a White homeland for whites only racists…"

    "I'm not Anti-Semitic. I'm Anti-Zionist and Anti-Monotheist."

    The Man Accused of MAX Double Murder Is a Portland White Supremacist Who Delivered Nazi Salutes and Racial Slurs at a "Free Speech" Rally Last Month - Willamette Week

    He called President Donald Trump the antichrist, but meant it as a compliment.
    He's someone with severe mental problems and I don't think that's the fault of Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders or any other politician.

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    I know this: only tinpot dictators like to "rally" their supporters, while in office.

    Normal Western governments don't do that kind of shit.
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