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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    How many humans will become EXTINCT under Trump?
    Mr. Picturetaker,

    Same percentage as under Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Buish I, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy...etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Ayup. They would increase their numbers much faster, absent human interaction.

    No domestic horse would last even one wintrr, and it would not form a herd.
    I wouldn't be so sure about that.

    There are plenty of domestic horses that escaped and did just fine on their own.

    Cats and dogs also form groups after being domesticated when they find themselves on their own.

    Hell, even cows would survive if the circumstances were right.

    You don't give life enough credit.

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    The Trump Effect: Wild mustangs are now "pests" and the Trump supporters think they should be eradicated ASAP.

    We cannot even agree to unite and stand up to him when "My Friend Flicka" is at risk.

    It's very discouraging, boys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Here's the evolution of American Wild Mustangs documentary you requested.



    You are silly as to herding/survival. That's complex set of behaviors that is taught to young horses and/or encoded in their DNA or both.

    Domestic horses released in the wild have almost no chance at 1 year survival.

    if you drop a 1 year old cocker spaniel off in the middle of nowhere, will he "be just fine"? Of course not. That's why pet dumping is crime.

    Domestic cats are different. They are not entirely domestic, no matter how strong the bond might be with their humans. My cat will stalk, etc. The domestic cat population is a threat to wild birds all over the planet.

    Are Cats Domesticated? - The New Yorker

    Cats also instinctively know how to fuck. Very few American horses OTHER than the wild mustangs have ever had sex free of human intervention, and if they attempt it and fail, they can easily break a leg, which is 100% fatal.

    Are Cats Domesticated? - The New Yorker
    Stop spreading your lies. Domestic horses winter in most places just as well as so called "wild mustangs". And there are plenty of domestic herds with mares running with a stallion.

    What's with city people and their My Little Pony fantasies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Stop spreading your lies. Domestic horses winter in most places just as well as so called "wild mustangs". And there are plenty of domestic herds with mares running with a stallion.

    What's with city people and their My Little Pony fantasies?
    You would disagree with me, and do so in any way that violates the TOS, if I said the sky was blue and today is Wednesday.

    You have no sincere or informed opinion on the Op; you just want to try on flamebaiting me over Shit That Happened Last Week, which everyone over 12 is prepared to forget.

    I am sorry that your mental distress is still so painful. Please have some......




    BTW, I reported your post. Personal Insult, Flamebaiting, yada yada.

    Back to my ignore list, sir. The Mod Squad is there to cope with the likes of you, not I.

    Have a lovely summer.

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    Heroic WWII story:

    *Snip*

    May 7, 1945, was an important day by any measure.

    For Gen. George S. Patton, it started early, with a call just after 4 a.m. from Gen. Omar Bradley, who said, “Ike just called me, George. The Germans have surrendered.” This was mixed news to Patton, who was convinced the war was ending too soon, leaving the Russians as a future threat and, in any case, leaving Patton, a man who lived to fight, without a war. “Peace is going to be hell on me,” he had complained to his wife, Beatrice, four days earlier.

    *Snip*

    None of this was on the mind of Col. Alois Podhajsky as he prepared for what he regarded as the most important day of his life. Podhajsky, a tall, aristocratic Austrian of extraordinary single-mindedness, was looking for a way to guarantee the safety of the riding school and horses he supervised as the Third Reich collapsed around him. And on that sunny Monday morning, as a preoccupied General Patton strode into his exhibition arena, he thought he’d found it.

    Lt. Gen. Walton H. Walker’s XX Corps had captured the renowned Spanish Riding School of Vienna several days earlier at its temporary quarters in St. Martin im Innkreis, a small town in Upper Austria, and Walker, a protégé of Patton’s, requested a performance of its white Lipizzaner stallions especially for him. As Patton watched, the horses and riders went through the precise, balletlike maneuvers they were famous for: a demonstration of controlled power and ritualized elegance, set to music, that was beautiful to watch and incredibly difficult to execute.

    When it was over, Podhajsky halted his horse before Patton and removed his hat in a traditional salute. “In a little Austrian village in a decisive hour two men faced each other,” he wrote in his memoir, My Dancing White Horses, the basis for the 1963 Disney film Miracle of the White Stallions, the one as triumphant conqueror in a war waged with such bitterness, the other as a member of a defeated nation.” He asked Patton for protection for the centuries-old school during the uncertain postwar period and for help in retrieving its breeding herd from Czechoslovakia, where the Germans had sent the horses to a Wehrmacht-controlled stud farm.

    Patton, an expert horseman himself, described the exhibition in his diary that day, calling it “extremely interesting and magnificently performed.” Ever the soldier, he added, “It struck me as rather strange that, in the midst of a world at war, some twenty young and middle-aged men in great physical condition…had spent their entire time teaching a group of horses to wiggle their butts and raise their feet in consonance with certain signals from the heels and reins.” More telling for Podhajsky, though, was what Patton noted next: “On the other hand, it is probably wrong to permit any highly developed art, no matter how fatuous, to perish from the earth—and which arts are fatuous depends on the point of view. To me the high-schooling of horses is certainly more interesting than either painting or music.”

    *Snip*
    And thus, they were saved.

    How General Patton and Some Unlikely Allies Saved the Prized Lipizzaner Stallions | HistoryNet



    Majestic horses matter to mentally healthy humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Our wild horse herds receive much more than just forage. Vaccines, worming, just to name two. Most are from almost 100% domestic stock.

    We used to have a wild horse trainer at our facility. She found that her "wild mustang" horses caught by the BLM in Eastern California/Western Nevada were almost pure Quarter horse when she sent their DNA in to some Mustang registry.
    With unwanted horses pretty much worthless since all the US slaughter houses closed, I would imagine that a fair amount of unwanted horses get released into the wild herds.

    This is a interesting documentary on Netflix about a group of guys that rode mustangs from Mexico to Canada.

    http://www.banderasnews.com/1301/to-...cotocanada.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    With unwanted horses pretty much worthless since all the US slaughter houses closed, I would imagine that a fair amount of unwanted horses get released into the wild herds.

    This is a interesting documentary on Netflix about a group of guys that rode mustangs from Mexico to Canada.

    Modern Day Cowboys to Guide Wild Mustangs 3,000 Miles from Mexico to Canada
    The wild horses do not break into farmers' corrals to have sex with domesticated horses. However, it is a small population; if they have more sex with more quasi-domestic horses, across time, they could lose some the DNA they have today, etc.

    One domestic horse in a herd of wild horses has a chance at survival than a lone domestic horse -- or a group of domestic horses -- does not have. There are many complex cooperation and protection behaviors in the wild herds, even among the stallions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The wild horses do not break into farmers' corrals to have sex with domesticated horses. However, it is a small population; if they have more sex with more quasi-domestic horses, across time, they could lose some the DNA they have today, etc.

    One domestic horse in a herd of wild horses has a chance at survival than a lone domestic horse -- or a group of domestic horses -- does not have. There are many complex cooperation and protection behaviors in the wild herds, even among the stallions.

    Domestic horses would make it just fine in a wild herd.

    Wild horses should be killed or sold, government board decides | Fox News


    With virtually no natural predators, wild horse and burro herd sizes can double about every four years, which means that thousands of the animals are removed from the range each year to control herd sizes and protect the land. The BLM has its own off-range holding corrals in states such as Nevada and California, as well as contracts with private ranches in locations such as Kansas and Oklahoma. An “unadoptable” horse or burro is typically at least 5 years old, making them less attractive for purchase or adoption. The bureau has more than 44,000 horses and more than 1,000 burros in off-range pastures and corrals.The bureau spent $49 million caring for off-range animals during its fiscal year 2015, which accounted for two-thirds of its wild horse and burro budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The wild horses do not break into farmers' corrals to have sex with domesticated horses. However, it is a small population; if they have more sex with more quasi-domestic horses, across time, they could lose some the DNA they have today, etc.

    One domestic horse in a herd of wild horses has a chance at survival than a lone domestic horse -- or a group of domestic horses -- does not have. There are many complex cooperation and protection behaviors in the wild herds, even among the stallions.
    Wild horses certainly have been known to break out domestic mares from rancher's corrals. Even mares that aren't in heat.

    They are essentially the same blood lines as domestic horses so they will not lose any DNA.

    The same with one domestic horse in a herd of other domestic horses, because horses, even geldings have an intense instinct to join other horses. Which you would acutely know about if you had ever ever ridden a horse in a group and then ridden away from that group.

    Your info gleaned from "My Little Pony" does not make it fact.
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