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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The current epidemic is mainly due to Oxytocin, which can create actual, physical addiction in as little as three months.

    Possibly less.
    The irony is that it was specifically designed not to do that. It has a time release coating that was supposed to be self managing. But people figured out any number of ways around that. Scrape the coating off, grind it up and snort or inject it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It would be difficult for the Trump FDA to do worse than the Obama FDA has done, as to the opioid crisis.

    This is very encouraging news, although far more needs doing:





    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.fc9726421d71

    I hope no Hillarybots here are so partisan, they withhold applause for this vital step towards turning back the wildfire of opioid addiction that is burning down the house for too many American families.

    I still want Trump out, but I realize he has some great policy ideas that we will be losing, if he goes.

    What do you think?
    Serious questions, and I am very pleased to see this, but does the FDA have a new Trump appointed head, and is this a new idea or one that has been being developed for a while? Anyone know?

    Edit: Answered above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    I think we would be better served to look at the root cause of opioid addiction itself, rather than focusing on a specific medication. Addicts will come up with another source for it, or start using something else. I hope that the people most hurt by this won't be those who rely on it to help manage chronic pain. Having recently been put through something that required me to be on opioids 24/7 for a whole month has given me a little bit more empathy for these folks.
    That is a benefit of single payer which doesn't allow doctor shopping to anywhere the same degree. You are allowed to change doctors, but your full med/pharm history goes with you. So even a new doc will know if you been popping those naughties too much and not give it.

    Plus, both provinces I have lived in have a monitored database of prescriptions. If any doc is giving too many of anything, he gets investigated. Several have been busted hard for pay to pop operations.

    And any time you go to a doc or a medical facility or hospital, you have to sign a release for your pharma history to be released to them.

    Some consider it too "big brother" but it allows us to catch the dodgy docs and identify patients that may need help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    I think we would be better served to look at the root cause of opioid addiction itself, rather than focusing on a specific medication. Addicts will come up with another source for it, or start using something else. I hope that the people most hurt by this won't be those who rely on it to help manage chronic pain. Having recently been put through something that required me to be on opioids 24/7 for a whole month has given me a little bit more empathy for these folks.
    I worry doctors will just stop prescribing opioids to anyone because why bother if the feds are going to jack you up about it? Most doctors don't care all that much about their patients anyway. Not enough to risk losing their practice by prescribing opioids to someone who misuses them then blames the doctor when they get hooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    The irony is that it was specifically designed not to do that. It has a time release coating that was supposed to be self managing. But people figured out any number of ways around that. Scrape the coating off, grind it up and snort or inject it...
    I think the manufacturer knew exactly what they were doing.

    They sure do now, and have not withdrawn this poison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    That is a benefit of single payer which doesn't allow doctor shopping to anywhere the same degree. You are allowed to change doctors, but your full med/pharm history goes with you. So even a new doc will know if you been popping those naughties too much and not give it.

    Plus, both provinces I have lived in have a monitored database of prescriptions. If any doc is giving too many of anything, he gets investigated. Several have been busted hard for pay to pop operations.

    And any time you go to a doc or a medical facility or hospital, you have to sign a release for your pharma history to be released to them.

    Some consider it too "big brother" but it allows us to catch the dodgy docs and identify patients that may need help.
    Plus, no profit motive to sicken half the population and then, surprise!

    Invent drugs that alleviate the miseries of addiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I worry doctors will just stop prescribing opioids to anyone because why bother if the feds are going to jack you up about it? Most doctors don't care all that much about their patients anyway. Not enough to risk losing their practice by prescribing opioids to someone who misuses them then blames the doctor when they get hooked.
    It's already like pulling teeth to get them to prescribe them now, pun intended (she says, holding her aching jaw*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    It's already like pulling teeth to get them to prescribe them now, pun intended (she says, holding her aching jaw*
    That is bullshit. They have a whole portfolio of older opioids that do not create the hazards that Oxycotin, etc. do. and work perfectly well.

    MDs and dentists who are not treating intractable pain on a regular basis refuse to script adequate pain meds when needed because they fear the DEA will audit them.

    It's a system designed by a lunatic. A sadistic lunatic. Cancer, bone and "pain" doctors are almost never audited for pill pushing.

    I am sorry about your suffering, sweetie. Are you recovered now?

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    When is the last time you needed an opioid? I've noticed a trend of doctors encouraging you to rely on Advil. For pelvic surgery. I had to push her to prescribe me any opioids after the first week, but not everyone has that kind off agency.

    I'm recovered from that (mostly), but I just had a tooth extracted with a hammer and chisel (seriously), and the oral surgeon would only prescribe one 5/325 hydrocodone/acetaminophen every six hours, which isn't *nearly* enough for this level of pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    It's already like pulling teeth to get them to prescribe them now, pun intended (she says, holding her aching jaw*
    Depends on the doctor. Some are stingy with the pain meds out of fear of causing an addiction and some are too generous.
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