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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    When is the last time you needed an opioid? I've noticed a trend of doctors encouraging you to rely on Advil. For pelvic surgery. I had to push her to prescribe me any opioids after the first week, but not everyone has that kind off agency.

    I'm recovered from that (mostly), but I just had a tooth extracted with a hammer and chisel (seriously), and the oral surgeon would only prescribe one 5/325 hydrocodone/acetaminophen every six hours, which isn't *nearly* enough for this level of pain.
    I can't tolerate the codeine based drugs, like Percocet. They make me asthma-y, and I itch like crazy.

    Also, no pain relief. I can take morphine, but that is not really suited to at-home use, without nursing care. And anyway, it's for very heavy pain.

    So, I get valium. Zone out, try to sleep.

    But these are work-arounds nobody should need, if they can tolerate codeine.

    Half of the addicts in Ohio have had Fetenoyl, as well as Oxytocin. Fentenoyl! At home!

    That's the shit they give 3rd degree burn patients in agonizing pain.
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    I also think technology with drugs has made it so we can completely avoid pain. When I had surgery years ago, the doctor asked me on a scale of 1-10 how bad my pain was. I replied "around 3" and he said "well we can make it zero" and handed me an RX for tons of pills. I don't view the fact that right after surgery I should be 100% pain free. Comfortable but not pain free. A little pain should be expected. My spouse had hernia surgery and they zombied him to the point that he didn't feel pain and re-injured himself. A little pain should be ok and tolerated, it can be a guide as to how you are healing or aren't..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I also think technology with drugs has made it so we can completely avoid pain. When I had surgery years ago, the doctor asked me on a scale of 1-10 how bad my pain was. I replied "around 3" and he said "well we can make it zero" and handed me an RX for tons of pills. I don't view the fact that right after surgery I should be 100% pain free. Comfortable but not pain free. A little pain should be expected. My spouse had hernia surgery and they zombied him to the point that he didn't feel pain and re-injured himself. A little pain should be ok and tolerated, it can be a guide as to how you are healing or aren't..
    You would be amazed at how well I control chronic pain with aspirin. No liver damage, thins my blood, costs almost nothing, no drug interactions, no side effects.

    When was the last time anyone here bought aspirin? Most Americans think Tylenol and Motrin, etc. are better.

    They are ENORMOUSLY expensive compared to aspirin, and can be very dangerous. But they are not better.

    Almost everyone can safely use aspirin. Even babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It would be difficult for the Trump FDA to do worse than the Obama FDA has done, as to the opioid crisis.

    This is very encouraging news, although far more needs doing:





    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.fc9726421d71

    I hope no Hillarybots here are so partisan, they withhold applause for this vital step towards turning back the wildfire of opioid addiction that is burning down the house for too many American families.

    I still want Trump out, but I realize he has some great policy ideas that we will be losing, if he goes.

    What do you think?
    You're not ever going to stop people from getting drugs they want. Ever. I say this is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    The irony is that it was specifically designed not to do that. It has a time release coating that was supposed to be self managing. But people figured out any number of ways around that. Scrape the coating off, grind it up and snort or inject it...
    That's on them. Can't save them from themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I worry doctors will just stop prescribing opioids to anyone because why bother if the feds are going to jack you up about it? Most doctors don't care all that much about their patients anyway. Not enough to risk losing their practice by prescribing opioids to someone who misuses them then blames the doctor when they get hooked.
    It's already a problem. Oxy is the only thing that worked for my mother and she couldn't get it. I ended up calling the Dr. at the hospital to see if she would continue prescribing it and she said yes, but none of her regular drs would. If she never went to hospital to meet this Dr she would never have had a day of relief from really high pain levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I think the manufacturer knew exactly what they were doing.

    They sure do now, and have not withdrawn this poison.
    What is terrible about it? It's designed to help NOT create new addicts. They can't help what current addicts do.

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    Here's a secret about all of these opiates: A 'side-effect' is a 'false sense of well-being' and that to many people is NOT a side effect. It's the intended effect and nothing, absolutely nothing the government does is going to do anything about that except cause them to turn to unsafe street drugs.

    Produce the drugs, stop putting fucking acetaminophen in my hydrocodone to try and save addicts from themselves. They are only endangering the livers and upsetting the stomachs of myself and other non-addicts with that shit!

    People have to be responsible for themselves. We already have federal and state funded rehabs out the wazoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    You're not ever going to stop people from getting drugs they want. Ever. I say this is stupid.
    Nobody gets thalidomide, Sassy.

    No manufacturer makes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    That's on them. Can't save them from themselves.
    It's fucking poison, sold as medicine. Health-giving medicine.

    How is that fraud on the patients to cope with? HITF could their addictions be their own faults?

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