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    LA Times Editorial: No Impeachment, Yet

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    So — should President Trump be impeached?

    The question does not lend itself to a bright line. Instead, it opens up a kind of zone in which impeachment must be seriously considered. That’s where we find ourselves today. Credible assertions have been made that the president obstructed justice. A criminal prosecutor might even proceed to a grand jury at this point — but the time to draw up articles of impeachment is not here.

    Why move slowly? For several reasons. All we have now is Comey’s say-so on his own interpretation of statements Trump made in private meetings. Former FBI Director Robert Mueller is leading a Justice Department investigation into alleged Russian interference into last year’s presidential election, and the scope is wide enough to include the kinds of things Comey spoke of in the Senate hearings. It would seem precipitous to move toward impeachment before that probe is complete, absent some intervening revelation of intolerable action on the president’s part.

    Furthermore, a majority of both houses is in the hands of Trump’s party, so the amount of evidence needed to have any realistic chance of removing the president from office would be especially high. And a lengthy proceeding that weakens or embarrasses him but does not lead to his removal would certainly deepen the nation’s bitter divisions, probably even more than the 1998 impeachment of Bill Clinton and his acquittal the next year. These are reasons to move cautiously and deliberately.

    Action to remove a president outside the course of a regular election is so serious a matter that it could inflict serious damage on the confidence that is needed to make our democratic institutions function. But there is certainly a point at which failure to act in the face of criminal or dangerous conduct becomes more damaging than moving forward.

    Congress was approaching that point in 1974 when the House Judiciary Committee sent articles of impeachment against President Nixon to the floor — for obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of Congress because of his role in a cover-up of the Watergate break-in. Nixon resigned before the articles came to a vote.

    There is no path for Trump opponents to a quick and easy reversal of fortune. A Trump resignation does not appear likely in the near future. There can be no snap election or vote of no confidence. Impeachment cannot, of course, be ruled out, but we must be aware that it would be a long, painful and destructive path.

    But we are now in the zone in which we dissect testimony for evidence of a crime, await more reporting and the results of investigations like Mueller’s, and wonder whether a move toward impeachment is any more damaging than failing to do so.
    On impeaching Trump - LA Times

    Country first, party second.

    I completely agree with the editors of LA Times (when I am calm and reflective; when outraged I sound like the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland.)

    Your thoughts?
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    I think the LAT is incorrect in saying that Mueller is leading a DOJ investigation. Muller is an independent investigator. He may have been appointed, as Special Prosecutors are, by the AG...he does not coordinate nor answer to the DOJ.
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    Trump is as guilty as he is innocent at this point. Although I think those that believe Trump to be innocent are far more serious about that belief than those that claim Trump is guilty.

    Far more people are claiming Trump is innocent at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    On impeaching Trump - LA Times

    Country first, party second.

    I completely agree with the editors of LA Times (when I am calm and reflective; when outraged I sound like the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland.)

    Your thoughts?
    I agree with "right now" but right now just means right now. It is too early to talk about impeachment one way or the other imo. How this will play out is anyone's guess as there is too much the public doesn't know.
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    Editorials are opinions.

    Everyone has an opinion.

    They write provocative editorials with provocative headlines/titles to get people to read them, and even sell a few papers.

    Sometimes even they don't even believe all of what they write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Editorials are opinions.

    Everyone has an opinion.

    They write provocative editorials with provocative headlines/titles to get people to read them, and even sell a few papers.

    Sometimes even they don't even believe all of what they write.
    Impeachment may be pre-mature, but not out of the realm of possibility. With each passing day and new revelation, the probability goes up. Exponentially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Impeachment may be pre-mature, but not out of the realm of possibility. With each passing day and new revelation, the probability goes up. Exponentially.
    Anything could potentially happen.

    Maybe impeached, and kicked out, maybe serve his whole term.

    Maybe even re-elected.

    Predictions, especially ACCURATE predictions about this guy are impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Anything could potentially happen.

    Maybe impeached, and kicked out, maybe serve his whole term.

    Maybe even re-elected.

    Predictions, especially ACCURATE predictions about this guy are impossible.
    But how the gov handles these problems is pretty easy to predict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    But how the gov handles these problems is pretty easy to predict.
    What do you predict?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    What do you predict?
    The gov will follow the guidelines it has in the past. With the Republicans who are up for reelection demanding it do so.

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