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    It is not that simple. It is not merely individuals' stress levels rising, but our collective stress level, and that is a bad thing. We unfortunately have leaders around the world who are, at best, not equipped to deal with such things; and, at worst, those who profit off of inflaming such things. We need to get rid of them and replace them with responsible people.

    And perhaps we are not supposed to protect those three things (peace of mind, physical well-being and financial security), but rather be motivated to action to quell the maelstrom.
    You are such a good person. IME, a crisis will excite the worst anti-human impulses of most of the 0.01%.

    I would like wise, humane leaders myself, but I fear they will not take power from the current mongers without tremendous public support.

    Possibly even verging on revolution.

    One reason the BLM people are so appealing to me is, unlike black activists my age, they are open to the connection between environmental impacts and their core issues as to police reform.

    They expect these issues to be connected. In the 1970's, it wasn't always easy to persuade any black activists to care about nuclear power or hazardous waste, etc.
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    I think this is key. Not so much to cope with a zombie apocalypse, though it has its uses for that as well. But to feed your head and your body with nature. The immersive experience, feeding all your senses at once.

    It puts something right that modern living has put wrong.

    Give me a decent budget and a free hand, and I can bring about lasting improvement in the lives of our urban poor by tearing out concrete, making miniparks, etc.

    We lack respect for our subconscious, animal selves, and for the forces that add to or take away from that self's basic well-being.
    Yes, one could think of it like pre-empting dystopia in some ways and cleansing oneself, I'll be out in those woods come zombie apocalypse or not.

    My land is so close to the forest I could literally throw a rock and hit it, lol.

    Studying natural edibles, natural medicinals and exploring the great wealth of the forest will be my vocations, I have a lot of plans for it.

    And my land will be nice to come back to most evenings and times I am in need of a more "domestic" tranquility.

    Thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You are such a good person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I would like wise, humane leaders myself, but I fear they will not take power from the current mongers without tremendous public support.
    Unfortunately, in a crisis, people tend to get very insecure and want a "strong" person to make them feel secure again, rather than a "good" person who will try to do the right thing irrespective of how uncomfortable it might be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
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    Unfortunately, in a crisis, people tend to get very insecure and want a "strong" person to make them feel secure again, rather than a "good" person who will try to do the right thing irrespective of how uncomfortable it might be.
    That explains why some frightened people would follow a fascist leader. Certainly important.

    But equally important is why some humans yearn for the power fascist leadership confers.

    This is one creepy, sinister phenomenon. It's as if human distress releases some reptilian energy that makes a few crappy people into really satanic ones.

    This is an odd reference, but if you have seen "The Mist", based on Stephen King' s novella, this is the transformation of the fundie Christian woman.

    I watched the 0.01% respond to Hurricane Andrew. It was not unlike watching the Gates of Hell open. What they wanted to do to the victims -- what they FOUGHT to do -- was literally like a Heronimous Bosch painting come to life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    But equally important is why some humans yearn for the power fascist leadership confers.
    It confers the illusion of control, and the power to utterly annihilate whatever it is causing the insecurity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This is an odd reference, but if you have seen "The Mist", based on Stephen King' s novella, this is the transformation of the fundie Christian woman.
    Sorry, I have not seen it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It confers the illusion of control, and the power to utterly annihilate whatever it is causing the insecurity.


    Sorry, I have not seen it.
    It's being remade, but I can't imagine why. The original made for tv mini-series is great.

    Either way, better than the short story it's based on.

    Trying to think of another such story. "The Birds", by Daphne du Maurier.

    In fact, almost any good environmental disaster novel has a serious subplot about the degeneration of some authoritarian types into vicious fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It is not that simple. It is not merely individuals' stress levels rising, but our collective stress level, and that is a bad thing. We unfortunately have leaders around the world who are, at best, not equipped to deal with such things; and, at worst, those who profit off of inflaming such things. We need to get rid of them and replace them with responsible people.

    And perhaps we are not supposed to protect those three things (peace of mind, physical well-being and financial security), but rather be motivated to action to quell the maelstrom.
    The only stress is from the left and their collective looney views on politics and social issues. I find it particularly hilarious how the left that makes no bones about exclaiming fear is used by the right...literally live on/by fear.

    fear of fascism that odes not exist and will not, fear that the oceans will rise despite physics, fear of the successful becoming more successful...and on and on they spin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It's being remade, but I can't imagine why. The original made for tv mini-series is great.
    We are in the age of remakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    In fact, almost any good environmental disaster novel has a serious subplot about the degeneration of some authoritarian types into vicious fascists.
    It is an altogether unrealistic expectation. There will always be those with personality disorders who truly want to dominate others as an end in itself.

    Stephen King's The Stand is a good environmental disaster novel with two basic subplots of the reformation of society - one for the good guys, one for the bad guys. Neither is really very fascistic, though; the good guys have a very orderly society, relatively speaking, while the bad guys have more or less a free-for-all except when the leaders want something (in which case they just take it). The TV mini-series was not a bad adaptation, as these things go, but one must absolutely read the novel (the unabridged version, not the original) to really get the flavor of what was going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    The only stress is from the left and their collective looney views on politics and social issues. I find it particularly hilarious how the left that makes no bones about exclaiming fear is used by the right...literally live on/by fear.

    fear of fascism that odes not exist and will not, fear that the oceans will rise despite physics, fear of the successful becoming more successful...and on and on they spin
    The adults here are trying to have a real discussion here about things. Take your partisan politics and childish antics elsewhere.
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    Americans are almost certainly the most advantaged people on earth. If you have a preferred brand of trash bag, you are far wealthier than most of humanity can even dream of.

    Yet we are in for a very rough summer, and it is not likely to let up again. The political scandals of Donald Trump. The worst hurricane season in history. Increasingly hostile, war-like conduct in the ME, SE Asia, Eastern Europe, Africa, etc.

    In this new-normal malestrom, how will you protect your peace of mind? Your physical well-being? Your financial security?

    This is a season of events with worldwide significance, that potentially will impact the most private areas of your life.

    Do you have a plan? Do you think a plan is even possible?
    I think we are in for serious problems....climate change will be a main driver behind much of it and we will keep trying to deal with symptoms instead of root causes.

    My son is legit worried about me traveling to the US in a few days. He was fine about it all these past months, but now as it approaches and is only days away, the reality has hit him and he was asking me about my "exit plan" hahaha! I saw real fear and worry in his face though. Many of my friends and family here in Sweden are genuinely worried about me going there, thats not a good sign considering how the view has changed about the US and traveling there.....it used to be a fun trip, now people think of it as dangerous and unwise!

    The plan is for me to spend a few years there, but the return ticket is in the wings if needed at any time.
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