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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    I agree it's not a good idea but I would add that many addicts utilize medical services to supplement their addictions and have no desire for a cure.
    And some folks are real bad drivers so..... lets eliminate traffic lights and let the reckless wipe each other out!

    How would you DEFINE a civilized society? Our Neo Puritans are WHY our Drug Prohibition has been a FAIL aside from $$$ for aspects of police/courts/prisons ....and the Black Market. If our ECONOMIC priorities were better, if our MENTAL HEALTH system was better... that would be GREAT.... kind of like SANE nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood View Post
    And some folks are real bad drivers so..... lets eliminate traffic lights and let the reckless wipe each other out!

    How would you DEFINE a civilized society? Our Neo Puritans are WHY our Drug Prohibition has been a FAIL aside from $$$ for aspects of police/courts/prisons ....and the Black Market. If our ECONOMIC priorities were better, if our MENTAL HEALTH system was better... that would be GREAT.... kind of like SANE nations.
    I'm not for punishing sick people but people who go to the hospital for no other reason than to just get pain medication are playing the system. I would agree a better mental health system is a good idea though doctors seem to be prescribing valium for just about everything already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Not much you can do about it.

    Doctors have to provide pain management and if it isn't Oxy it will be something else that will provide the same effects.

    Any narcotic will get you hooked if you have a tendency towards that.

    What you are suggesting is forcing people to live in pain and is that any worse than the pain from addiction?

    I don't know.

    There are plenty of people that take Oxy without serious problems.

    And if you think Oxy is bad you should try taking morphine pills lol, those are what are called the "Big Guns".
    No, other opioids do not produce addicts at the same rate as oxycotin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    No, other opioids do not produce addicts at the same rate as oxycotin.
    All schedule 2 drugs are equally addictive.

    OxyContin is just more prevalent because it is prescribed far more than the others at the moment.

    Hehe, you don't even know the name of it, its not Oxycotin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    A local, small city is on track to spend $100,000 this year on the life-saving drug Narcon, used to quickly reverse the effects of an opioid overdose.

    This councilman proposes that, in the case of anyone who has overdosed twice before, the dispatcher should refuse to send out an ambulance.

    I understand his fears, because this epidemic is a threat to the financial stability of every city in Ohio. But I think this approach is the wrong one. It amounts to an execution, performed by a dispatcher on a cold record that is too likely to be wrong. It changes the dispatcher's job into one so stressful, few people could bear to carry it out.

    Worse, it blames the addict. IMO, the first line of attack must be towards doctors that script oxycotin to non-terminal patients. The federal government must withdraw oxycotin from the market, and states should sue the manufacturer for the damages it has caused.

    What do you think?

    excellent....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    No, other opioids do not produce addicts at the same rate as oxycotin.
    But a lot of people work UP to oxy. Their higher and higher doses of hydrocodone don't do the trick anymore, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    I'm not for punishing sick people but people who go to the hospital for no other reason than to just get pain medication are playing the system. I would agree a better mental health system is a good idea though doctors seem to be prescribing valium for just about everything already.
    Pain is an excellent reason for an ER visit. The normal, healthy human body does not experience heavy pain. Along with fever, it is a terrfic indicator that something is wrong. Probably something serious.

    Valium had not been widely prescribed since the 1970's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    But a lot of people work UP to oxy. Their higher and higher doses of hydrocodone don't do the trick anymore, for instance.
    So what? If the need is severe, use morphine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    excellent....
    Trust you to endorse this idea!

    Lol.

    So, then how do you justify administering Narcon to anyone, ever?

    And if the idea is to allow behavior-related diseases to kill, then why treat heart attacks in smokers or the obese? Why rescue "extreme sports" nuts who knowingly place themselves in danger?

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    Why don't you blame the addict?

    They are the one doing it to themselves.

    I don't stick a needle in my arm every day.

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