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Thread: Middleton Councilman Proposes No More Narcon

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I don't agree. I'm sure every addict wants to be rid of their addiction.

    We just need to be there and prepared to help them when they reach bottom.
    Help them get rid of the pain, you'll get rid of the addiction:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    That comes from Doctors and Pharmacists, they are cracking down on both, but Fentanyl is deadly..
    It's one of the few drugs one can legally get their hands on to kill oneself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Nobody is prescribed fentanyl for home use, are they?
    They are. I have a friend with a plan for the patches. She's going to kill herself with them. Well, we hope not. But it feels good to her to HAVE a workable plan. So far, having it onhand actually cures her suicidal thoughts to a large degree. Knowing at any moment she CAN do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The moronic proposal is not to send ER treatment to a person that has two prior overdoses. Not only is moronic as I've stated...it's an unlawful proposal under the EMTALA as well as a freaking law suit ready to happen.

    There is no way to correctly ascertain what the person is experiencing until he is checked over by a clinician.
    I don't think that is true. There are no Drs. in ambulances and yet they administer it all the time. Some addicts OD on purpose near fire stations so they know they will be rescued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I don't agree. I'm sure every addict wants to be rid of their addiction.

    We just need to be there and prepared to help them when they reach bottom.
    Not very badly. I know an addict who just cannot cope sober and has no desire to try. Rehab is free. He won't go. I partly understand. Meth destroys dopamine receptors. None of us here likely knows what it feels like to not be able to feel anywhere close to a normal human w/o dopamine. 18 months before they even begin to repair. That's a long time. Then there are all the issues. Why they sought such escape to begin with. Etc. and so forth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobfitcher View Post
    Help them get rid of the pain, you'll get rid of the addiction:

    Not that simple because the addiction has it's own life. But of course that is part of treatment. There is a saying about how quitting is easier than living afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I don't think that is true. There are no Drs. in ambulances and yet they administer it all the time. Some addicts OD on purpose near fire stations so they know they will be rescued.
    Rescue squads now carry Narcan. I think Police,do too. But usually they go as a team. Police,rescue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    ...It's literally killing us all, and the will to stop it still has not coalesced in D.C.
    Jared has been put in charge of that by trump. Nothing will be done by him as he's too involved trying to cover his ass in the Russia investigations...just like the rest of the Trump-Kushner Crime Syndicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    It's one of the few drugs one can legally get their hands on to kill oneself.
    It is flooding Ohio. I thought this was a hospital-only drug, like the general anesthesia drugs?

    HTF are Cleveland gang members getting it? They certainly aren't knocking over 18 wheelers.

    It seems like the source has to be at the factory.....which would make the manufacturer complicit.

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