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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Humans have a design defect that causes them, after having been warned that something bad is coming, to fail to act to remove themselves from harm. It is a thing we have observed many times, not just in the US, but I am not a psychiatrist and cannot say why this is.

    Only that it is.

    All people living near Tornado Alley, or in California's wildfire-prone areas, can attest that this is true. Some residents will hesitate or refuse to leave or take shelter as ordered. Lookieloos will drive in from other areas in hopes of "seeing the storm up close". It is a major challenge to our public safety forces.

    But in a hurricane, this can be a real killer. The period before the hurricane makes landfall can be fairly calm, weather-wise. The residents in the affected sometimes/usually include many people who have never survived another hurricane. There are all sorts of reasons that these residents might justify delay in evacuating, but the hurricane doesn't care. It will knock down or blow apart whatever is there, and including any humans.

    For this reason, there is a great deal of thought involved in government as to when, and where, to issue any evacuation orders. It is the single best means by which to preserve human life, and is always a considered decision.

    Yet people who are subject to these orders don't want to follow them, or at least not exactly as told. There are so many stories in other hurricanes of people throwing parties, or that they just wanted to try and see if they could "ride it out", or they disagreed with the order and thought the storm would not come ashore after all.

    Knowing this, any celebrity that uses his or her influence over the general public to sow doubt about evacuation as ordered is a moral "threat to public safety".

    Like this guy:



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7b49d912bb49

    *Headdesking*

    Hey celebrity assholes, please keep your stupid human tricks off the internet -- at least until the danger has passed!

    Your thoughts?
    The guy has a hurricane bunker that sleeps about 50 people, why on earth would he leave?

    "We are expecting to get the full force of the hurricane in around five hours' time, when we will retreat to a concrete wine cellar under the Great House," Branson said. "Knowing our wonderful team as I do, I suspect there will be little wine left in the cellar when we all emerge."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    I've lived thru dozens of hurricanes from a very young age, Sandy was my last dance with the devil, day before Sandy, my cherub was getting her scuba licensing by diving in a quarry in Pennsylvania, she drove back to NYC thru the hurricane, that's a bit nuts.

    I have no intention of staying if that eye shifts, but having lived thru many, being on the road, during the onslaught of the storm is hundred times worse than waiting it out.
    I have never lived through one. I would not EVER chance it. The minute my alternative living expense coverage was tripped, my ass was out of the door, looking to vacation in a fancy hotel in ANOTHER STATE.

    I don't know what possesses people to stay put. Grab your family photos and GO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Your OP starts off on the premise of humans having a design "defect"...

    here's how i think about it:

    To me, humans behave very much as "per design". They seek shelter only when the danger is imminent, as they've done for thousands and thousands of years, way before "alarm systems" and pre-cautious notifications were available.

    Animals "sense" a storm coming and seek shelter.. but not days before it happens.
    It's also a pretty natural treat - for humans - to try to stick around and protect your belongings, to "weather the storm"...
    So from that angle, i think humans act very much instinctively, per design, rather than rational in those situations.

    Given, that is stupid behavior.. yet it shows that we're by far not as smart as we make ourselves believe :-)
    Exactly, Daddio. And we forget, if the "civilization" goes, we cannot compete well for food, etc. against other mammals.

    Hell, a squirrel could kick my ass.

    LOL!

    Apex species? Possibly not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    The guy has a hurricane bunker that sleeps about 50 people, why on earth would he leave?

    "We are expecting to get the full force of the hurricane in around five hours' time, when we will retreat to a concrete wine cellar under the Great House," Branson said. "Knowing our wonderful team as I do, I suspect there will be little wine left in the cellar when we all emerge."
    IDGAF that Branson stayed. I care that OTHERS might read the tweets he made on the 'net, before and during the storm, and be influenced by them to ALSO stay put.

    How many died on his nearby Caribbean island nations the night he was prattling on about his bunker? A dozen?

    Douchebaggery. Complete douchebaggery, IMO.

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    Kinda like a parable. Goldilocks story of three houses and wind/ breath.
    Here's a thought though, who cares how well the house is constructed, unless it has a submersible room.
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    I remember when Mt. St. Helens was about to blow and the people who refused to leave.

    They basically told them "good luck".

    They all died.

    I don't think these people are motivated by celebrities, they do it for their own reasons.
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    My thoughts...I hope the idiots at least protected and saved the caged birds, and the tortoises if they were not free.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Humans have a design defect that causes them, after having been warned that something bad is coming, to fail to act to remove themselves from harm. It is a thing we have observed many times, not just in the US, but I am not a psychiatrist and cannot say why this is.

    Only that it is.

    All people living near Tornado Alley, or in California's wildfire-prone areas, can attest that this is true. Some residents will hesitate or refuse to leave or take shelter as ordered. Lookieloos will drive in from other areas in hopes of "seeing the storm up close". It is a major challenge to our public safety forces.

    But in a hurricane, this can be a real killer. The period before the hurricane makes landfall can be fairly calm, weather-wise. The residents in the affected sometimes/usually include many people who have never survived another hurricane. There are all sorts of reasons that these residents might justify delay in evacuating, but the hurricane doesn't care. It will knock down or blow apart whatever is there, and including any humans.

    For this reason, there is a great deal of thought involved in government as to when, and where, to issue any evacuation orders. It is the single best means by which to preserve human life, and is always a considered decision.

    Yet people who are subject to these orders don't want to follow them, or at least not exactly as told. There are so many stories in other hurricanes of people throwing parties, or that they just wanted to try and see if they could "ride it out", or they disagreed with the order and thought the storm would not come ashore after all.

    Knowing this, any celebrity that uses his or her influence over the general public to sow doubt about evacuation as ordered is a moral "threat to public safety".

    Like this guy:



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7b49d912bb49

    *Headdesking*

    Hey celebrity assholes, please keep your stupid human tricks off the internet -- at least until the danger has passed!

    Your thoughts?
    Thanks from Madeline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Kinda like a parable. Goldilocks story of three houses and wind/ breath.
    Here's a thought though, who cares how well the house is constructed, unless it has a submersible room.
    I think Goldilocks had the three bears, but I'm not positive. Anyway, the three probably had big wind and bad breath - they were bears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I have never lived through one. I would not EVER chance it. The minute my alternative living expense coverage was tripped, my ass was out of the door, looking to vacation in a fancy hotel in ANOTHER STATE.

    I don't know what possesses people to stay put. Grab your family photos and GO.
    I bet more will die on highways trying to get out than will be killed by the storm. I'd stay put, been through plenty of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    I bet more will die on highways trying to get out than will be killed by the storm. I'd stay put, been through plenty of them.
    That's a decision that each of them has to make.

    Problem is, many are deciding at this late date to leave.

    If they were gonna leave, they shoulda left a day or two ago...
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