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    Hurricanes & Humans



    Humans have a design defect that causes them, after having been warned that something bad is coming, to fail to act to remove themselves from harm. It is a thing we have observed many times, not just in the US, but I am not a psychiatrist and cannot say why this is.

    Only that it is.

    All people living near Tornado Alley, or in California's wildfire-prone areas, can attest that this is true. Some residents will hesitate or refuse to leave or take shelter as ordered. Lookieloos will drive in from other areas in hopes of "seeing the storm up close". It is a major challenge to our public safety forces.

    But in a hurricane, this can be a real killer. The period before the hurricane makes landfall can be fairly calm, weather-wise. The residents in the affected sometimes/usually include many people who have never survived another hurricane. There are all sorts of reasons that these residents might justify delay in evacuating, but the hurricane doesn't care. It will knock down or blow apart whatever is there, and including any humans.

    For this reason, there is a great deal of thought involved in government as to when, and where, to issue any evacuation orders. It is the single best means by which to preserve human life, and is always a considered decision.

    Yet people who are subject to these orders don't want to follow them, or at least not exactly as told. There are so many stories in other hurricanes of people throwing parties, or that they just wanted to try and see if they could "ride it out", or they disagreed with the order and thought the storm would not come ashore after all.

    Knowing this, any celebrity that uses his or her influence over the general public to sow doubt about evacuation as ordered is a moral "threat to public safety".

    Like this guy:

    Sir Richard Branson, the billionaire founder of the Virgin Group, had no desire to evacuate his home in the British Virgin Islands, which was directly in the path of Hurricane Irma.

    Instead, Branson declared that he would hunker down with his team on his private, 74-acre Caribbean island — “as I have been on the three times we have had hurricanes over the past 30 years.”

    NOTE: Were these other three hurricanes Cat 5's? Nope.

    *Snip*

    Branson is the 324th wealthiest person in the world, with a net worth of about $5 billion, according to Forbes, which notes that he bought Necker Island for $180,000 nearly four decades ago.

    On Wednesday night, before Irma hit, Branson said he and his team experienced “howling wind and rain.”

    He posted pictures of people smiling and bedded down in a room filled with furniture, backpacks and makeshift beds.

    “All of us slept together in two rooms,” Branson wrote. “I haven't had a sleepover quite like it since I was a kid. Strangely, it's a privilege to experience what is turning into possibly the strongest storm ever with such a great group of young people.

    “We were listening to the parrots in their boxes in the next room chattering away. Watching the tortoises congregating together, as if they sense what is coming our way.”

    The National Hurricane Center had been calling Irma's conditions “life-threatening,” noting that the ferocious, historic Category 5 hurricane could bring with it a devastating storm surge, destructive winds and dangerous flooding.

    Despite the approaching storm, Branson said, people were “calm and upbeat.”

    A subsequent photo showed him seated with a group at a dining table, playing with dice.

    A few hours before Irma's impact, Branson wrote that he planned to retreat with his team to his concrete wine cellar below “the Great House.”

    As one does.

    “Knowing our wonderful team as I do, I suspect there will be little wine left in the cellar when we all emerge,” he wrote on his blog.

    And then, for hours: Silence.

    No tweets, no Instagrams, no updates on Branson's blog — nothing.

    The news from other islands in Irma's path was grim, with reports of widespread devastation and destruction.

    Officials in France said at least eight people died in the French island territories of St. Martin and St. Barthelemy.

    Barbuda, where Irma first made landfall, was left “barely habitable,” according to government officials there.

    Then, shortly before dawn Thursday, hours after Irma struck, Branson — or at least his Twitter account and blog — resurfaced with an update:

    Everybody on Necker Island is safe — though the island itself “sustained extensive damage.”

    “We are deeply saddened by the events that have taken place in the last 24 hours and our hearts and thoughts are with our friends and family in the Caribbean,” the blog post said. “We are very grateful to be able to report that all of our team on Island have been accounted for as safe as well.

    “Necker Island felt the effects of Hurricane Irma and sustained extensive damage, the extent of which we are still assessing. We’d like to thank all of you for your thoughts and would like to assure you that we will be keeping you along, with our family and friends, updated this week as we know more. We will do whatever we can to support and assist our local community through this extremely testing time.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7b49d912bb49

    *Headdesking*

    Hey celebrity assholes, please keep your stupid human tricks off the internet -- at least until the danger has passed!

    Your thoughts?

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    Hold my beer and watch this....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Hold my beer and watch this....
    It's not THAT the wind blows, Daddio.

    It's WHAT the wind blows!

    Sure, you could survive 150 mph winds, in a wind tunnel.

    But you are less likely to survive being hit with a 2x4 moving at 150 mph!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Humans have a design defect that causes them, after having been warned that something bad is coming, to fail to act to remove themselves from harm. It is a thing we have observed many times, not just in the US, but I am not a psychiatrist and cannot say why this is.

    Only that it is.

    All people living near Tornado Alley, or in California's wildfire-prone areas, can attest that this is true. Some residents will hesitate or refuse to leave or take shelter as ordered. Lookieloos will drive in from other areas in hopes of "seeing the storm up close". It is a major challenge to our public safety forces.

    But in a hurricane, this can be a real killer. The period before the hurricane makes landfall can be fairly calm, weather-wise. The residents in the affected sometimes/usually include many people who have never survived another hurricane. There are all sorts of reasons that these residents might justify delay in evacuating, but the hurricane doesn't care. It will knock down or blow apart whatever is there, and including any humans.

    For this reason, there is a great deal of thought involved in government as to when, and where, to issue any evacuation orders. It is the single best means by which to preserve human life, and is always a considered decision.

    Yet people who are subject to these orders don't want to follow them, or at least not exactly as told. There are so many stories in other hurricanes of people throwing parties, or that they just wanted to try and see if they could "ride it out", or they disagreed with the order and thought the storm would not come ashore after all.

    Knowing this, any celebrity that uses his or her influence over the general public to sow doubt about evacuation as ordered is a moral "threat to public safety".

    Like this guy:



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7b49d912bb49

    *Headdesking*

    Hey celebrity assholes, please keep your stupid human tricks off the internet -- at least until the danger has passed!

    Your thoughts?
    if you think people who have weathered storms, actually use a celebrity's words as a foundation to make a decision like this, you really are delusional.

    I'll say this; there are a lot of armchair warriors out there listening to Limpball's comments about Irma being a fake, because even Al Roker took to the airwaves to counter force that stupidity yesterday.

    No one is taking this storm LIGHTLY, no one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    if you think people who have weathered storms, actually use a celebrity's words as a foundation to make a decision like this, you really are delusional.

    I'll say this; there are a lot of armchair warriors out there listening to Limpball's comments about Irma being a fake, because even Al Roker took to the airwaves to counter force that stupidity yesterday.

    No one is taking this storm LIGHTLY, no one.
    I think it is easy to persuade people to be stupid,. Pace. And that we owe one another a duty not to inspire fatal stupid decisions.

    But I agree. The risk with Irma is low-ish.

    Still, Branson's tweets or whatnot were douchebag behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I think it is easy to persuade people to be stupid,. Pace. And that we owe one another a duty not to inspire fatal stupid decisions.

    But I agree. The risk with Irma is low-ish.

    Still, Branson's tweets or whatnot were douchebag behavior.
    I don't know Madeline, hurricane hunters could be accused of the same thing, don't you think? but their videos are used extensively, that does not mean every idiot with a crop plane should fly into a hurricane, I don't think Branson's actions have an affect one way or another, I am in the path of this storm in the Keys, and I am watching it very carefully. I run the risk of evacuating and driving right into the eye, or I could wait and determine if the eye hits key largo 100 miles away, I am then in the outer bands. The storm surge in the Keys is nothing like mainland, there is little land, so the surge drives itself out, it does not get blocked by land.

    I wouldn't use Branson, nor Limbaugh, nor facebook, or anything but NOAA as a point of reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    I don't know Madeline, hurricane hunters could be accused of the same thing, don't you think? but their videos are used extensively, that does not mean every idiot with a crop plane should fly into a hurricane, I don't think Branson's actions have an affect one way or another, I am in the path of this storm in the Keys, and I am watching it very carefully. I run the risk of evacuating and driving right into the eye, or I could wait and determine if the eye hits key largo 100 miles away, I am then in the outer bands. The storm surge in the Keys is nothing like mainland, there is little land, so the surge drives itself out, it does not get blocked by land.

    I wouldn't use Branson, nor Limbaugh, nor facebook, or anything but NOAA as a point of reference.

    Regards
    Pace
    I am likely over-sensitive because of Andrew. No hurricane made landfall in Florida for fifty years before 1992, and the people in harm's way JUST WOULDN'T LEAVE.

    It was a terrible psychological phenomena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am likely over-sensitive because of Andrew. No hurricane made landfall in Florida for fifty years before 1992, and the people in harm's way JUST WOULDN'T LEAVE.

    It was a terrible psychological phenomena.
    I've lived thru dozens of hurricanes from a very young age, Sandy was my last dance with the devil, day before Sandy, my cherub was getting her scuba licensing by diving in a quarry in Pennsylvania, she drove back to NYC thru the hurricane, that's a bit nuts.

    I have no intention of staying if that eye shifts, but having lived thru many, being on the road, during the onslaught of the storm is hundred times worse than waiting it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I think it is easy to persuade people to be stupid,. Pace. And that we owe one another a duty not to inspire fatal stupid decisions.

    But I agree. The risk with Irma is low-ish.

    Still, Branson's tweets or whatnot were douchebag behavior.
    Your OP starts off on the premise of humans having a design "defect"...

    here's how i think about it:

    To me, humans behave very much as "per design". They seek shelter only when the danger is imminent, as they've done for thousands and thousands of years, way before "alarm systems" and pre-cautious notifications were available.

    Animals "sense" a storm coming and seek shelter.. but not days before it happens.
    It's also a pretty natural treat - for humans - to try to stick around and protect your belongings, to "weather the storm"...
    So from that angle, i think humans act very much instinctively, per design, rather than rational in those situations.

    Given, that is stupid behavior.. yet it shows that we're by far not as smart as we make ourselves believe :-)
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    What I always hear from people who have "waited out a Hurricane:"

    "Never again, if I can help it!"

    My Uncle sat through 2. He worked with an airline, so, in one case, he was tasked to stay, but, he and my aunt just went to the Airport to wait it out. He said, the worst thing about that was the boredom, but...they never really lost power (Airport Generators), and, had TV for most of the experience. Food, water, all the basics were at hand, and, there were all kinds of rescue, firemen, etc. around (Airports can typically take a hurricane head on. The Terminals are designed to withstand as much. They were somewhat limited in movement, though, as many of the glass/window areas were restricted.

    The next time he waited through a Hurricane, he did so at home. Since then, he has said "never again...."
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