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    I just don't think any 21st century American can achieve a "Nazi" membership that anyone else in America who knows fuck all about WWII will recognize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No it isn't.

    Conservatives have passed the majority of Civil Rights legislation against democratic opposition.

    Bush signed the last Civil Rights bill into law.

    Democrats filibustered the '57 act and a higher percentage of republicans voted for the 64' act than democrats did.

    This is a liberal talking point lie.
    Not sure why you constantly try to pass off BS, are debunked, then continue to try to pass it off, again and again.

    Here's how the vote went in 1964:



    By party and region
    Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

    The original House version:

    Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
    Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
    Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
    Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)


    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
    Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
    Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
    Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964


    Yes, the "Dixiecrats" of that era and before, obviously wanted nothing to do with civil rights, but from the voting record, their southern Republican counterparts wanted LESS to do with it, and even in the north, More Democrats, as percentages, voted for Civil Rights than northern Republicans.
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    Nazi and Nancy support

    Nationalized Healthcare
    Government Run Schools
    Revision and cleansing of History
    Minimum wage laws
    Maximum wage laws
    Progressive Taxes for individuals
    Progressive Taxes for Corporations
    Maximum Salaries
    Government to share in Corporate Profits
    Government run Retirement.
    Limiting private ownership of Firearms to the Elite

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post

    Nazi and Nancy support

    Nationalized Healthcare
    Government Run Schools
    Revision and cleansing of History
    Minimum wage laws
    Maximum wage laws
    Progressive Taxes for individuals
    Progressive Taxes for Corporations
    Maximum Salaries
    Government to share in Corporate Profits
    Government run Retirement.
    Limiting private ownership of Firearms to the Elite
    You said so, so it must be true? How about sources from whence you got such constructs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    You said so, so it must be true? How about sources from whence you got such constructs?
    Which one of those planks of the NAZI platform DOES Pelosi oppose?

    Nationalized Healthcare
    Government Run Schools
    Revision and cleansing of History
    Minimum wage laws
    Maximum wage laws
    Progressive Taxes for individuals
    Progressive Taxes for Corporations
    Maximum Salaries
    Government to share in Corporate Profits
    Government run Retirement.
    Limiting private ownership of Firearms to the Elite

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Which one of those planks of the NAZI platform DOES Pelosi oppose?

    Nationalized Healthcare
    Government Run Schools
    Revision and cleansing of History
    Minimum wage laws
    Maximum wage laws
    Progressive Taxes for individuals
    Progressive Taxes for Corporations
    Maximum Salaries
    Government to share in Corporate Profits
    Government run Retirement.
    Limiting private ownership of Firearms to the Elite
    How are you determining which are the planks of a Nazi Party in 21st Century America?

    This is what I am struggling with, first. Most of those ideas you listed are just banal socialism, which a person could find embedded in the law in CANADA. That does not make most Canadians NAZIS, FFS.

    If the political philosophy is viable AT ALL at the present time, in this country, I think it must be fundamentally based on race hatred.....but that only cycles back to the KKK.
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    It CANNOT be simply a matter "I said that's what I am" or else I could self-identify as a Viking Warrior with the same depth of thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I just don't think any 21st century American can achieve a "Nazi" membership that anyone else in America who knows fuck all about WWII will recognize.

    Failure....at attempted reputation as a scarey, scarey dude.
    With all due respect, I'm not sure the family of Heather Heyer or any others of those killed in the past by "Failure....at attempted reputation as a scarey, scarey dude", because of the color of their skin or because they were counter protesting, the ideology that promotes hatred of others for who they love or the color of their skin, etc. (regardless of the exact same actions as in the 30's and 40's), would agree with you.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynchi..._United_States

    Religious bias (Based on Table 1.)
    Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,354 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:

    51.3 percent were anti-Jewish.
    22.2 percent were anti-Islamic (Muslim).
    4.4 percent were anti-Catholic.
    4.2 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
    3.7 percent were Anti-Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Greek, Other).
    3.5 percent were anti-Protestant.
    1.3 percent were anti-Other Christian.
    0.6 percent were Anti-Mormon
    0.4 percent (6 offenses) were Anti-Sikh.
    0.4 percent (5 offenses) were Anti-Hindu.
    0.1 percent (2 offenses) were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.
    0.1 percent (1 offense) were Anti-Buddhist.
    0.1 percent (1 offense) were Anti-Jehovah’s Witness.
    7.7 percent were anti-other (unspecified) religion.


    https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/...offenses_final
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Which one of those planks of the NAZI platform DOES Pelosi oppose?

    Nationalized Healthcare
    Government Run Schools
    Revision and cleansing of History
    Minimum wage laws
    Maximum wage laws
    Progressive Taxes for individuals
    Progressive Taxes for Corporations
    Maximum Salaries
    Government to share in Corporate Profits
    Government run Retirement.
    Limiting private ownership of Firearms to the Elite
    Where is your reference to the NAZI platform you are relating to Pelosi?

    Which ones do YOU oppose or agree with, and why?



    The Program of the German Workers’ Party is a program for our time.

    The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.

    1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.

    2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the peace treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.

    3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.

    4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.

    5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.

    6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether it is a national, state or local office.

    We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of making party considerations, and not character and ability, the criterion for appointments to official positions.

    7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

    8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the Reich without delay.

    9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.

    10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.

    We therefore demand:

    11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.

    Breaking the Servitude of Interest.

    12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

    13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).

    14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.

    15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

    16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.

    17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.

    18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.

    19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.

    20. In order to make higher education – and thereby entry into leading positions – available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latters’ position or occupation.

    21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievements of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.

    22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.

    23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:

    a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;

    b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;

    c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breach of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved.

    Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.

    24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race.

    The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a permanent revival of our nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of: Public Interest before Private Interest.

    25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.

    The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.

    Munich, Germany

    February 24, 1920.


    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...rs-rsquo-party


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ialist_Program


    It is important to remember this was the platform in 1920, quite a number of years before it was skewed, morphed and transformed into what was termed a "defensive act" with the invasion of Poland, then all the hell that followed. It didn't happen overnight and didn't start out with massive acts of violence, but built to them, led in large part by small, then more massive rallies, to build the groupthink and mob psychology against those used as scapegoats and nationalistic (portrayals of what "being a good patriot" and "belonging" to the "right" side) fervor.

    I think it is also important to realize there are elements in the above to be found coming from both current political parties in the U.S. and in different contexts. The same can be found in the debates and letters of the founders of this nation. Thomas Jefferson was a strong advocate of public education and immigration, among other things, but he also owned slaves. Most people do not celebrate him for his slave ownership, but for other things he did that outweighed (not excused) his slave ownership. In addition many original concepts, even religious scripture, are exploited by some who, skew and mold them to fit personal agendas, even to the point some believe what have always been believed to be sins/wrongs.....to be right/virtuous.....against all human history and experience that provides evidence to the contrary.

    The same sorts of scapegoats and roiling/riling of "discontent" among the same sorts of people, has been happening here. It does not have to be identical in every way to be something to be wary of. There would seem particular caution in this era, because there are things that do not add up. "Working class people" are not represented by only one political party and if anything, attacks against unions (originally developed as a means to protect against exploitation of "working class people") have come mostly from the party that some want to suggest is now FOR "working class people". Not only that, the person supposed "working class people" have supported for the Oval Office, is about as opposite from a "working class" identity as just about anyone, could get..... The same sorts of factors are being used to rile the same sort of targets Hitler points to for where/who propaganda should be aimed, in Mein Kampf. The same sorts of issues about "threats" to a white majority, freedom of religion, nationalism/patriotism are being used to rile/roil the same segment Hitler believed (and had success with) would be receptive to propaganda to carry out an agenda. If left to build, it's not going to happen over night and just as in Germany, if let go to build, once it mounts to being something no one can ignore anymore and actions are occurring that wake people up (remember it took things like Pearl Harbor/9/11 and maybe it will take too many monster storms before people realize something is real), it will be too late to do much about it, without a great deal MORE conflict and violence than anyone has seen, thus far.

    Personally, I would prefer we solve things in peaceful, none destructive ways, rather than let them build to disasters before we believe there is anything real about the potential threats they pose. I admit it is difficult to move people away from something clever manipulators have drawn them into believing and that it is important to constantly check our own beliefs to see if we are not being manipulated, but I believe we can solve whatever problems we face without resorting to super extreme measures that are in many cases historically less about solving problems than installing the agendas of those who exploit tough times and situations to put themselves in power. I think we can solve our ailments on a case by case basis, not a polarized groupthink that has to cover everything in one fell swoop and as it often does, creates more problems than are solved, figuratively throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It was easy to see who was a Nazi in WWII. They had uniforms.

    But 70+ years later, is it possible to become a Nazi in America, in any meaningful sense of the word? Obviously, you can self-describe as a Nazi to frighten or disgust people.....but that ideology is extinct, and really, was stillborn even in Germany. Any nation at war is under enormous stress and success always depends in part on a rigid control of civilians.

    Fascism enjoyed a longer life, especially in Spain. I suppose you could be an American fascist, if you crave an extreme right-wing political identity.

    But if you are to be taken seriously as a self-described Nazi, you must do more than think bad thoughts.

    Is it possible that, although you might be able to "become" an American fascist, "American Nazism" is doomed to be nothing more than a costume party for assholes?



    Your thoughts?

    That guy is a complete fucking idiot that is an embarrassment to his race; a man without common sense or compassion; a cancer on the face of humanity.

    The white people do face many issues. I'm not allowed to even discuss them. So, that does give cause for some people to lobby against censorship, tyranny, etc. However, just because people are your political adversaries, they are still human beings - a concept lost on people like Mr. Anglin.

    I personally care about the history, the present day issues, and the destiny of the whites. But, I rebuke Mr. Anglin and any other person or organization that would devalue a human life in any way, shape, fashion, or form. Had I been there when he said that, I would have spit in his face.

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