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    Harvard Psychiatrist Uses Crappy Science To Attack Trump



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    [T]he evidence suggesting that Donald Trump may have serious mental health problems is overwhelming.

    He is a compulsive liar who creates his own fantasy world.
    In psychiatry, "compulsion" has a defined meaning. A person suffering from such a disorder CANNOT resist the urge, even when it propels him to act against his own self-interest. Trump's lies, OTOH, are unified by the degree to which they SERVE his interests.

    If Dr. Lance Dodes does not yet understand "delusional thinking", he needs a refresher course in Psychiatry 101. Delusional people think they are Napoleon, or talk to space aliens that no one else can see. It's a severe disruption in thought, usually destroying the sufferer's ability to function independently.

    Trump is also extremely moody and impulsive.
    Meh. How do you gauge whether this is true, or a sign of mental illness, when the patient or subject has the most stressful job on the planet, at the most stressful point in human history?

    Trump’s advisers have to satisfy his extreme narcissism and nurture his detachment from reality by presenting him — on a twice-daily basis — with a file folder full of “good news”.
    Not sure what Dr. Dodes means this to refer to, but how Trump chooses to run his white house is not the type of evidence of mental illness that most responsible psychiatrists would rely on in diagnosing him as floridly mentally ill.

    What exactly IS Dr. Dodes' diagnosis, anyway? Sociopathy and narcissism are not mental illnesses. They are personality disorders that can be extremely painful to the patient and those around him, but they are not mental illnesses in the sense that schizophrenia is a mental illness. Sociopaths are always orientated as to time and place. They just often behave like massive assholes, creating havoc in their lives and the lives of others.

    Fellow Republicans have been recorded on a hot mike suggesting that Trump may be “crazy.” The American news media, as well as commentators from other countries, have voiced serious concerns about Trump’s mental health and the threat it poses to global security.
    No responsible psychiatrist would EVER use the word "crazy". They almost all condemn the legal standard of "insane". Dr. Dodes is setting psychiatry back 200 years just to write a hit piece on Trump.

    Why are so many psychiatrists and other clinicians afraid to comment about Donald Trump’s mental health? What is the role of the “Goldwater rule” in their relative silence? Is Donald Trump suffering from symptoms of mentally illness? If so, what type of disorder does he exhibit, and what are the consequences for America and the world?
    Because of irresponsible partisans in the American Psychiatric Association like YOU, Dr. Dodes. YOU demonstrate why the Goldwater rule came into existence and why it still has value.

    The Goldwater rule is from the American Psychiatric Association (APA). However, the APA’s version of the Goldwater rule is not subscribed to by any of the other major mental health agencies, including my own, the American Psychoanalytic Association. It is also not subscribed to by the American Psychological Association or the National Association of Social Workers, among others. The APA’s view as expressed in the so-called Goldwater Rule is unconstitutional because it prohibits free speech.
    No, Dr. Dodes. Free speech rights are NOT implicated when professionals are inhibited from speaking by the professional associations that license them. These associations are NOT the government.

    E.g., the Ohio State Bar Association can discipline me for disclosing a client's confidential information without violating my right to free speech, in part because the Ohio Bar is not part of the government -- no matter how entangled the two may be.

    It is also nonsensical and unethical to have the rule as is.
    Pardon me? Unethical? It is unethical for doctors to FAIL to speculate about the mental health of a man they have never examined, or even met? Since when do doctors OWE everyone else the benefit of their professional opinions on every possible occasion to begin with?

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    In the field of psychiatry we call this “duty to warn.”
    This is just 100% wrong-o. The duty to warn -- a LEGAL issue -- arises when a psychiatrist's patient has spoken in confidence of a serious, ongoing intention to kill or harm a specific third person. The seminal case is Tarasoff.

    The Evolution of Tarasoff: Recent Developments in the Psychiatrist's Duties to Warn Potential Victims, Protect the Public, and Predict Dangerousness 12 Journal of Psychiatry and Law 1984

    BTW, Dr. Dodes is hardly alone in deliberately misusing the term "duty to warn" to mask political commentary as medical advice.

    Yale Psychiatrists Cite 'Duty to Warn' About Unfit President

    Psychologists have a duty to warn the country about Trump - NY Daily News

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-against-trump

    When you gag the people who actually know the best about these things, then you leave the public with uninformed lay opinions.
    I beg your pardon, Dr. Dodes! You and your fellow licensed psychiatrists are not the SOLE repository of human knowledge about mental illness in America.

    We here on PH did a vigorous exploration of this matter before the election, fucking brilliantly, without a single licensed medical doctor to "advise us".

    What's Trump's Problem?

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    [Sociopathy is people who lie and cheat. Everybody lies some of the time, but in this instance we mean people who lie as a way of being in the world, to manage relationships and also to manage your feelings about yourself. People who cheat and steal from others. People who lack empathy … the lack of empathy is a critical aspect of it. People who are narcissistic.
    Absolutely not the correct medical definition of "sociopathy". In fact, the American Psychiatric Association and its medical science does not use the term "sociopathy" to describe patients -- something which Dr., Dodes could reasonably be expected to know.

    From the DSM-V-TR:

    The Antisocial Personality Disorder* is characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the rights of other people that often manifests as hostility and/or aggression. Deceit and manipulation are also central features.

    In many cases hostile-aggressive and deceitful behaviors may first appear during childhood.

    Etc.
    https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/...ers-cluster-b/

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/cond...ality-disorder

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    Harvard psychiatrist Lance Dodes: Donald Trump is a ?sociopath? and ?a very sick individual? - Salon.com

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    Why does this matter? For a few different reasons.

    The American public is hopelessly confused by psychiatry and massively distrusts the medical profession -- most would say, with good reason. But we forget, in this debate, that we offer no community-based mental health care to those who cannot function independently. We ignore our own biology and evolution, and endure the losses that depression and anxiety, etc., inflict on humans as a result.

    Treating insomnia might be the key to managing conditions like depression and anxiety | Metro News

    We allow suicide, addiction and other bad outcomes of mental illness to run rampant because, as American voters, we cannot get a feel for how "mental" illness is like any other illness.

    So when a LICENSED MEDICAL DOCTOR practicing psychiatry adds to this misery to achieve a political POV and get his name in print, it is a HUGELY condemnation-worthy lapse in judgment.



    Bad doctoring and bad political maneuvering.

    Your thoughts?

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    This is Dr. Dodes.

    Looks trustworthy, doesn't he?

    *Rolls eyes*

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    I'll say this about the guy- there is something off about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I'll say this about the guy- there is something off about him.
    Apparently, he's a big noise in the anti-addiction treatment arena.

    https://www.discoveryplace.info/addi...ard-professors

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/06/h...b.html?mcubz=1

    The mental health equivalent of the sort of quacks who condemn chemotherapy for cancer treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I'll say this about the guy- there is something off about him.
    Paid by Trump to pollute and discredit psychiatry.
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    Best line of your OP.

    Pardon me? Unethical? It is unethical for doctors to FAIL to speculate about the mental health of a man they have never examined, or even met? Since when do doctors OWE everyone else the benefit of their professional opinions on every possible occasion to begin with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Paid by Trump to pollute and discredit psychiatry.
    That is a level of paranoia I have rarely achieved.

    I tip my hat to you, sir! Your nation's CIA needs you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Best line of your OP.

    Pardon me? Unethical? It is unethical for doctors to FAIL to speculate about the mental health of a man they have never examined, or even met? Since when do doctors OWE everyone else the benefit of their professional opinions on every possible occasion to begin with?
    You are too kind, Spooky.

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You are too kind, Spooky.

    Thank you!
    We don't always agree but at least I know your posts are always intellectually honest.

    Thank you for that and carry on.
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