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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I have been trying out how they could pay for it and I simply cannot come up with anything.

    Economics isn't something I know much about however.

    It would have to be some reworking of the tax code, perhaps cutting other programs we don't need. Maybe they could tie all entitlement programs into it or something.

    Simply taxing the rich wouldn't be enough by itself.

    If they can figure that out I wouldn't make it a priority to oppose, we are stuck with something at this point so let's just make it the most effective system we can.
    What with the write off benefits I have no problem with upping taxes to the wealthy and I think they much prefer that over removing write offs. But that said lets say funding is just related to everyone tightening their belts and even a small tax hike or rework as you noted at most levels to make up for any needs after cuts to programs, it could work. I think they could do what you suggest by neutrally cutting programs that don't work and lowering funding for all programs. I say that because it is time to focus on the human health in this country. If they cut funding by a small amount on all programs those entities would just tighten their belts and still function. Also kill "Use it or lose it" which contributes to the dysfunction. I think that takes a population who firmly believes that their lives are more important than a new jet or a social issue or an unnecessary new bridge getting instant funding. The entities will survive even with lowered funding. I actually think we are getting to that point now that the country has had a taste of a healthcare program so we'll see. I totally agree it has to be paid for to be valid. Your point of reworking the tax code and cutting programs is how it can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    What with the write off benefits I have no problem with upping taxes to the wealthy and I think they much prefer that over removing write offs. But that said lets say funding is just related to everyone tightening their belts and even a small tax hike or rework as you noted at most levels to make up for any needs after cuts to programs, it could work. I think they could do what you suggest by neutrally cutting programs that don't work and lowering funding for all programs. I say that because it is time to focus on the human health in this country. If they cut funding by a small amount on all programs those entities would just tighten their belts and still function. Also kill "Use it or lose it" which contributes to the dysfunction. I think that takes a population who firmly believes that their lives are more important than a new jet or a social issue or an unnecessary new bridge getting instant funding. The entities will survive even with lowered funding. I actually think we are getting to that point now that the country has had a taste of a healthcare program so we'll see. I totally agree it has to be paid for to be valid. Your point of reworking the tax code and cutting programs is how it can be done.
    Well now you just need to find a brilliant politician that can put together a workable plan who can also sell it.

    That might be the problem as you described, this crap being offered now, the ACA and the republican plan, shows that there isn't anyone out there who has the ability to figure it out yet.

    Perhaps you're right that it may take up to a decade.

    You are also correct that since we've had a taste of healthcare its too late to go back to the way it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    No she's not Madeline, she's a very smart person, strategically this is suicide, it's like pissing in a windstorm; so now we are to try and hold the line, not deport DACA, not bankrupct ourselves on a wall that ain't gonna do shit, defray the verbal bowel explosions regarding foreign policy that this LUNATIC in the white house spews on a daily basis, continue an investigation into a very serious crime, interference in the very foundation of our democracy in the form of the vote, AND pass Bernie's bill?

    It's a nice fantasy, but it won't work, I'd rather have those 800,000 kinds stay right here then to go jump on the third rail of the health insurance tracks and give the GOP a win in the form of Trumpcare.

    Did you read the CBO's summary on it? it's fucking devastating to the middle class AND The POOR!

    Jesus! learn how to construct a battle before you go all "purist"!
    We do not care about certain issues just so we can put our candidates in office, PACE.

    We put our candidates in office so we can progress on issues that matter to us.

    "Winning" with a candidate who opposes universal health care is a LOSS, if you are a liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    We do not care about certain issues just so we can put our candidates in office, PACE.

    We put our candidates in office so we can progress on issues that matter to us.

    "Winning" with a candidate who opposes universal health care is a LOSS, if you are a liberal.
    Do you think its possible to bribe Trump with something to sign onto it?

    Say his wall or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    We do not care about certain issues just so we can put our candidates in office, PACE.

    We put our candidates in office so we can progress on issues that matter to us.

    "Winning" with a candidate who opposes universal health care is a LOSS, if you are a liberal.
    Do you think its possible to bribe Trump with something to sign onto it?

    Say his wall or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Well now you just need to find a brilliant politician that can put together a workable plan who can also sell it.

    That might be the problem as you described, this crap being offered now, the ACA and the republican plan, shows that there isn't anyone out there who has the ability to figure it out yet.

    Perhaps you're right that it may take up to a decade.

    You are also correct that since we've had a taste of healthcare its too late to go back to the way it was.
    More than anything else, Trump craves the public's approval and to feel he has upset his detractors. Reaching across the aisle is a winning strategy for him.

    He COULD be the most popular president of my lifetime, if he and Bernie work together...and I think he is savvy enough to know that.

    I don't care if we get universal health care from the GOP, as long as we get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    More than anything else, Trump craves the public's approval and to feel he has upset his detractors. Reaching across the aisle is a winning strategy for him.

    He COULD be the most popular president of my lifetime, if he and Bernie work together...and I think he is savvy enough to know that.

    I don't care if we get universal health care from the GOP, as long as we get it.
    Funny, I actually agree with this statement.

    Its obvious now that Trump has no loyalties.

    That could be disastrous or great depending on how it plays out.

    One thing is for sure, politics is no longer the same now that he's in there.

    Its actually fascinating watching this first hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Not what I am talking about! for crying out loud! READ! instead of reacting!

    The strategy, the timing, JESUS HOPPING CHRIST! IS WRONG!

    IT'S STUPID!

    Stupid to introduce it now, ACA is being attacked by the Republicans, ONE VOTE, one vote away from repealing it and all a game for some orange tumor sitting in the white house!

    Are you getting it now? it drives a chasm into the Democratic party, what do you want Madeline? a Total Dictatorship? because that's what's coming with the GOP!

    Christ! I WISH Sanders would LEARN how to fight a battle! he simply doesn't know how! I love the guy, but he's goddamn stupid when it comes to strategic political warfare!

    FUCK!
    Madeline has never desired anything politically so much as to see the Democratic Party fail. If you don't get that, then you quite simply don't get Madeline.
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    I think "Medicare For All" could be a great platform plank in 2020, for all Democrats to run on. A clear message and statement of purpose easily understood by the mass of people that do not spend their lives on political message boards. As for right now, this is just putting it before the public in its early stages, no one that has signed on so far thinks anything is going to happen until 2020 at the earliest. But if this message can sweep Democrats into control of Congress and the Presidency, passing UHC will be much, much, easier. In the meantime, we have 3 years to figure out how the fuck we are going to pay for it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    I think "Medicare For All" could be a great platform plank in 2020, for all Democrats to run on. A clear message and statement of purpose easily understood by the mass of people that do not spend their lives on political message boards. As for right now, this is just putting it before the public in its early stages, no one that has signed on so far thinks anything is going to happen until 2020 at the earliest. But if this message can sweep Democrats into control of Congress and the Presidency, passing UHC will be much, much, easier. In the meantime, we have 3 years to figure out how the fuck we are going to pay for it....
    Ayup. And public confidence will be much higher if the GOP, or parts of it, blesses the funding side of the proposal.

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