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    Trump's Interior Sec. Zinke Wants Less Land As Federal Parks

    WASHINGTON Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is recommending that six of 27 national monuments under review by the Trump administration be reduced in size, with changes to several others proposed.

    A leaked memo from Zinke to President Donald Trump recommends that two Utah monuments - Bears Ears and Grand Staircase Escalante be reduced, along with Nevada's Gold Butte and Oregon's Cascade-Siskiyou.

    Two marine monuments in the Pacific Ocean also would be reduced under Zinke's memo, which has not been officially released. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the memo, which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

    Trump ordered the review earlier this year after complaining about improper "land grabs" by former presidents, including Barack Obama.

    National monument designations add protections for lands revered for their natural beauty and historical significance with the goal of preserving them for future generations. The restrictions aren't as stringent as for national parks, but some policies include limits on mining, timber cutting and recreational activities such as riding off-road vehicles.

    The monuments under review were designated by four presidents over the last two decades. Several are about the size of the state of Delaware, including Mojave Trails in California, Grand-Staircase Escalante in Utah and Bears Ears, which is on sacred tribal land.

    No other president has tried to eliminate a monument, but some have trimmed and redrawn boundaries 18 times, according to the National Park Service.

    Zinke told The Associated Press last month that unspecified boundary adjustments for some monuments designated over the past four decades will be included in the recommendations submitted to Trump. None of the sites would revert to new ownership, he said, while public access for uses such as hunting, fishing or grazing would be maintained or restored.

    He also spoke of protecting tribal interests and historical land grants, pointing to monuments in New Mexico, where Hispanic ranchers have opposed two monuments proclaimed by Obama.

    Zinke declined to say whether portions of the monuments would be opened up to oil and gas drilling, mining, logging and other industries for which Trump has advocated. It was not clear from the memo how much energy development would be allowed on the sites recommended for changes, although the memo cites increased public access as a key goal.

    A spokeswoman for Zinke referred questions Sunday night to the White House, which did not offer immediate comment.

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    The review raised alarm among conservationists who said protections could be lost for areas that are home to ancient cliff dwellings, towering sequoia trees, deep canyons and ocean habitats. They've vowed to file lawsuits if Trump attempts any changes that would reduce the size of monuments or rescind their designations.

    Zinke had previously announced that no changes would be made at six national monuments in Montana, Colorado, Idaho, California, Arizona and Washington. He also said that Bears Ears monument in Utah should be downsized.

    In addition to shrinking six monuments, Zinke recommends changes at several other sites, including two national monuments in New Mexico: Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks and Rio Grande del Norte.

    He also recommended changes to Katahdin Woods and Waters in Maine.

    Jamie Williams, president of the Wilderness Society, said the recommendations apparently made by Zinke "represent an unprecedented assault on our parks and public lands" by the Trump administration.

    "This callous proposal will needlessly punish local, predominantly rural communities that depend on parks and public lands for outdoor recreation, sustainable jobs and economic growth," Williams said in a statement.

    "We believe the Trump administration has no legal authority to alter or erase protections for national treasures. If President Trump acts in support of these recommendations, The Wilderness Society will move swiftly to challenge those actions in court," Williams said.
    Interior secretary recommends shrinking six national monuments - NY Daily News

    This administration seems to have no respect for the environment at all.



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    Where is the 'sportsmanship' in killing by using the techniques as detailed in the press release? There is no 'sport' in baiting or using choppers-it's slaughter. Let's not chrome plate this turd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Where is the 'sportsmanship' in killing by using the techniques as detailed in the press release? There is no 'sport' in baiting or using choppers-it's slaughter. Let's not chrome plate this turd.
    This is what is done in Africa to lure lions from preserves, hang meat outside of the preserve, it's how Cecil was shot and killed.

    Go ahead, kill off the animals, shove another imbalance into the ecosystem, let's see who suffers in the long run, it will be man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Where is the 'sportsmanship' in killing by using the techniques as detailed in the press release? There is no 'sport' in baiting or using choppers-it's slaughter. Let's not chrome plate this turd.
    In Germany, you attend "college" to become a hunter, these people aren't hunters, they are Walmart shoppers with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Interior secretary recommends shrinking six national monuments - NY Daily News

    This administration seems to have no respect for the environment at all.



    Your thoughts?
    My thoughts are we would not have this problem if we didn't have so many fucking idiots claiming that "at least he's better than Hillary".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Where is the 'sportsmanship' in killing by using the techniques as detailed in the press release? There is no 'sport' in baiting or using choppers-it's slaughter. Let's not chrome plate this turd.
    If Alaska wildlife pros have determined for whatever reasons that some species need to be culled then I would probably side with them. I doubt these methods are designed for sportsmen.

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    After reading the link it doesn't say anything about hunting rules being tied to this.

    As for helicopter hunting in Alaska, Sarah Palin already passed this law.

    It was controversial at the time but hasn't led to more animals being killed, its done to keep the population in check.

    Like it or not bears are territorial, get too many in one location and they will starve themselves out.

    It may seem cruel but its called conserving the environment.

    Now if they pass a law increasing the amount of bear permits issued then I would say that's a problem.

    I am not aware of them doing that however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    My thoughts are we would not have this problem if we didn't have so many fucking idiots claiming that "at least he's better than Hillary".
    Would not have it if Bernie Sanders was president.

    You want someone to blame? I blame YOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    After reading the link it doesn't say anything about hunting rules being tied to this.

    As for helicopter hunting in Alaska, Sarah Palin already passed this law.

    It was controversial at the time but hasn't led to more animals being killed, its done to keep the population in check.

    Like it or not bears are territorial, get too many in one location and they will starve themselves out.

    It may seem cruel but its called conserving the environment.

    Now if they pass a law increasing the amount of bear permits issued then I would say that's a problem.

    I am not aware of them doing that however.
    No, the Op is about making National Parks considerably smaller and opening them to "commercial use".

    Teddy Roosevelt must be rolling over in his grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    No, the Op is about making National Parks considerably smaller and opening them to "commercial use".

    Teddy Roosevelt must be rolling over in his grave.

    Well? it's based on who YOU allowed to win.

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