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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    There is no need for that type of comment.
    O please. All she said was giving bjs often keeps the face smooth.

    Hardly the stuff of nightmares, even for the most puritanical among us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Whut? You think there is nothing illegal at all about the contacts between Trump and Putin, and their respective staff, etc.?



    Certainly seems suspicious to me.......
    Go and see Boris Yeltsin if that is your beef. And watch Adam Curtis



    The Century of Self and Bitter Lake too - he isn't perfect but he helps to make sense of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    President Nixon could not have survived. Too many hurdles needed to be jumped over. You cannot abuse apologizing and asking for forgiveness.

    Imo
    I disagree....those who had supported him wanted the war in Vietnam to continue at all costs. They bought his preposterous domino theory hook, line and sinker....long after any rational person could have even wondered whether there was a shred of truth to it.

    There was a collective will to force people, inside and outside the US, to fall in line and doing so by military means seemed fabulous to them.

    I don't know if you remember Kent State, but the average Republican voter seemed to think "those kids got what was coming to them".

    That has not changed.


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    To the best of my knowledge it was never proven that Nixon directly authorized the Watergate break in. It was his participation in the cover up that got him. Had he maintained that his campaign personnel developed and committed the break in with out his knowledge or authority, and had he not directed the cover up, he may have survived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I agree. If the scandal includes Trump taking money, in any form, is most likely going to poison the well with American voters.
    Not most of his supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    O please. All she said was giving bjs often keeps the face smooth.

    Hardly the stuff of nightmares, even for the most puritanical among us.
    Stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    If he had gotten out in front of the scandal? If he had admitted that his staff knew the burglars, but that those involved got carried away?

    And, if so, can Trump survive the Russia scandal(s), if he admits what happened and offers an apology?

    (Assuming we have a sense of what the "Russia scandal" is likely to be.)

    Your thoughts?
    The question is whether he obstructed justice. I agree he'd have been better off if he'd done what you suggest back in December or even April. But he's worked so hard to cover it up, seems like he's all in now--whatever happens.

    The argument will be that he discovered Manafort's wrongdoing and that's why he was forced to leave the campaign--no harm, no foul. But that doesn't explain all the coverup afterwards.

    The problem for Trump is that he has a businessman's mindset--there's nothing wrong with whatever he does as long as it isn't provably illegal on his part. We expect better from presidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Come again? WTF is so special about Putin's foreign policy that no other world leader is as "sane" as he is, IYO?
    Here is a clue ----------- you should watch and listen to him. And he did save Syria --------- Putin reacts he is not an aggressor. And, but when he reacts he pulls no punches.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I disagree. The WashPo was widely despised for publishing the articles that uncovered Watergate.

    If the public had only had them, I doubt public opinion would have ever turned against Nixon. It was the testimony of Nixon's own staff that really did for him.

    That, and the tapes.
    That is incorrect, a Harris Poll at the time had 53% of the people calling for Nixon's impeachment; his approval rating was 24% at the time, Goldwater and Rhodes had to tell him that they didn't have the votes to stop the impeachment, he resigned that night.
    Shortly before the committee undertook its impeachment votes, a Harris Poll showed that 53 percent of Americans supported an impeachment of Nixon by the House. The same poll showed that 47 percent thought he should be convicted in a Senate trial, 34 percent thought he should be acquitted, and the rest were unsure.[74] A Gallup Poll taken around the same time revealed that Nixon's favorability rating had fallen to 24 percent.[74]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._Richard_Nixon
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Stupid.
    You bring oral sex into the conversation and then call it stupid? Stop thrusting it on us, in almost every conversation you have, then.

    And wtf are you doing here PACE? I thought you were going home --- everyone I've got contact with, affected by Irma, are traumatized and not posting as you are. What's up?
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