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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    If he had gotten out in front of the scandal? If he had admitted that his staff knew the burglars, but that those involved got carried away?

    And, if so, can Trump survive the Russia scandal(s), if he admits what happened and offers an apology?

    (Assuming we have a sense of what the "Russia scandal" is likely to be.)

    Your thoughts?
    Ms. Madeline,

    Wouldn't the Russian scandal actually had to have happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Madeline,

    Wouldn't the Russian scandal actually to have happened?
    ...actually had to have happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    If he had gotten out in front of the scandal? If he had admitted that his staff knew the burglars, but that those involved got carried away?

    And, if so, can Trump survive the Russia scandal(s), if he admits what happened and offers an apology?

    (Assuming we have a sense of what the "Russia scandal" is likely to be.)

    Your thoughts?
    I don't know about Nixon. The Trump investigation is going to be a very long shopping list of criminal behavior, lies and ethical issues. But, it will come down to how racist and right wing the country really is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    Suck enough dick and suck it well and you'll never need a face lift PACE - old bean. I could give you a few tips if you want.

    Putin's is the only sane voice on the world stage today - If anyone is to save us it will be him. Don't forget that in your hysteria over your Killary's loss - Putin is The Man.
    You prove her points.

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    Nixon didn't confess his cover up of illegal acts but I doubt if owning up to illegal acts early could have changed it in that time with a less partisan Congress. So I guess the answer is I'm unaware of a model where a President broke a law and survived with a confession. If Trump is accused of illegal acts he too may face the same ending even if a confession is given. The only thing that can save a President is Congress and in Nixon's case the Congress told him ahead of time that they were going to impeach him. This Congress is partisan so my guess is there has to be public outrage/sentiment to goad them to impeach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I disagree....those who had supported him wanted the war in Vietnam to continue at all costs. They bought his preposterous domino theory hook, line and sinker....long after any rational person could have even wondered whether there was a shred of truth to it.

    There was a collective will to force people, inside and outside the US, to fall in line and doing so by military means seemed fabulous to them.

    I don't know if you remember Kent State, but the average Republican voter seemed to think "those kids got what was coming to them".

    That has not changed.

    Public sentiment was overwhelmingly against Nixon as soon as Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein revealed the plot. The tapes sealed his fate. There is no way he could survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Why would Putin not stop American imperialism when his goal is to replace it with Russian imperialism?
    I really doubt Putin wants to dominate the entire world. We believed this lie about Stalin, and it has damned near killed all humanity, many times.

    I can't know the operation of Putin's mind, but I suspect he wants what any Russian wanted after WW II: to secure Eastern Europe, so that Germany can never attack Russia on Russian soil ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPorter View Post
    I don't know about Nixon. The Trump investigation is going to be a very long shopping list of criminal behavior, lies and ethical issues. But, it will come down to how racist and right wing the country really is.
    I disagree. No matter HOW racist and right-wing some Americans might be, the specter of their president making choices on foreign policy in exchange for CASH or cash equivalents paid to that president by a hostile nation is going to be the pill they cannot swallow.

    Teapot Dome, baby. Teapot Dome.



    http://www.history.com/topics/teapot-dome-scandal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Nixon didn't confess his cover up of illegal acts but I doubt if owning up to illegal acts early could have changed it in that time with a less partisan Congress. So I guess the answer is I'm unaware of a model where a President broke a law and survived with a confession. If Trump is accused of illegal acts he too may face the same ending even if a confession is given. The only thing that can save a President is Congress and in Nixon's case the Congress told him ahead of time that they were going to impeach him. This Congress is partisan so my guess is there has to be public outrage/sentiment to goad them to impeach.
    The Congress did not whisper that they were going to impeach Nixon in JUNE, when the scandal broke. No such collective will existed at that time.

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    Could Nixon Have Survived Watergate?

    A better question is.....can the U.S. survive Ford's pardon of this criminal?
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