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    I really doubt Putin wants to dominate the entire world. We believed this lie about Stalin, and it has damned near killed all humanity, many times.
    I never said he wanted to dominate the WHOLE WORLD. That's a fool's errand, and history shows it. But he does want to 1) dominate the regions where his country has interest or a long-term geopolitical role (Europe, Africa, ME and Central Asia). That's still a lot of the world. And... 2) weaken all his global opponents. Right now his chief global opponent is the US.

    I can't know the operation of Putin's mind, but I suspect he wants what any Russian wanted after WW II: to secure Eastern Europe, so that Germany can never attack Russia on Russian soil ever again.
    Read some Russian history. Russia has always considered itself the red-headed step-child of Europe--always getting the dirty end of the stick, and getting it later than everyone else. The USSR was in many ways the Russian Empire that they didn't get to have during the 17-19th centuries when everyone else was doing it. And Russia has--for centuries--been growing in area by absorbing the peoples around it. St. Petersburg wasn't part of the original Russia--they needed a warm water port.

    And I say that Putin wants those two things because....everyone wants those two things.

    Right now the problem for Russia...and for China...is that the US is a global power. They'd rather we were a regional power, and the future is a fight over the regions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Public sentiment was overwhelmingly against Nixon as soon as Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein revealed the plot. The tapes sealed his fate. There is no way he could survive.
    No, not for months. And much more was revealed during that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I never said he wanted to dominate the WHOLE WORLD. That's a fool's errand, and history shows it. But he does want to 1) dominate the regions where his country has interest or a long-term geopolitical role (Europe, Africa, ME and Central Asia). That's still a lot of the world. And... 2) weaken all his global opponents. Right now his chief global opponent is the US.

    Read some Russian history. Russia has always considered itself the red-headed step-child of Europe--always getting the dirty end of the stick, and getting it later than everyone else. The USSR was in many ways the Russian Empire that they didn't get to have during the 17-19th centuries when everyone else was doing it. And Russia has--for centuries--been growing in area by absorbing the peoples around it. St. Petersburg wasn't part of the original Russia--they needed a warm water port.

    And I say that Putin wants those two things because....everyone wants those two things.

    Right now the problem for Russia...and for China...is that the US is a global power. They'd rather we were a regional power, and the future is a fight over the regions.
    Suits me.

    What is Russia's historical interest in Africa, IYO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    Nixon should have gone down for war crimes committed against Chile and his covert overthrow of a democratically elected government, but I certainly don't expect YOU to know anything about that considering you think Oliver North did time for Iran/Contra. You probably don't even have a clue as to what crimes North committed and in whose name he committed them. Your knowledge of all things regarding South/Central American history and US involvement couldn't fill a thimble.
    You mean the thimble you used to acquire yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Could Nixon Have Survived Watergate? If he had gotten out in front of the scandal? If he had admitted that his staff knew the burglars, but that those involved got carried away?
    If hed had Fox News and Julian Assange, yes, since they would have been exposing the Left and undoing all their propaganda. Unfortunately all you had was floor to ceiling Fake News in those days, and a huge mountain of bawling young hippies.

    And, if so, can Trump survive the Russia scandal(s)
    There is no Russian scandal, but Im glad you brought up the nothingburger. Its a beautiful example of exactly what Fake News did to Nixon. The only difference is that with Nixon they actually had a few little things they could charge him with. A little tiny molehill they blew up into Mount Everest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Jesus! What a memory you have.

    The $64,000 question is WHY.

    WTF did Nixon bug the Oval office?
    He was looking for leakers obviously. Others had done the same thing. Trump would like to do the same thing today, and I think he should be allowed to. It's a matter of national security. Nixon did nothing wrong in my opinion, despite the Left inflating this to the left of mass murder and child killing. They love piling it on when it comes to conservative Presidents. By contrast Obama can bug the entire world and they don't give a shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    However, in Nixon's case he was paranoid and suffered from massive depression.
    That was generated by the Left. It's mostly fake news. Nixon may have had mood swings and been on edge - they took that and padded it out to the other side of the moon. Fake News isn't new. It's been going on since at least the Cold War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Nixon should have been prosecuted for war crimes. Absolutely.

    The use of chemical weapons in Vietnam, Agent Orange and napalm, at the least.

    But even though the U.S. signed the Geneva convention, we never joined the International Criminal Court.

    Truman should have been prosecuted, probably, for nuking Japan.

    Nixon wanted to nuke North Vietnam. I think it's possible he would have, if not he had not been impeached/resigned.

    Crappy as it was, I don't think aiding the Pinochet rebels in Chili was a war crime. At least, not the act of lending support.

    We might well have been killing prisoners, etc. which would be a war crime.
    These are all snowflake talking points, and they come from a little fantasy bubble the hippies created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Bullshit. The war in Vietnam was arguably the most IMMORAL government act since this country began, and most American voters supported it almost to the bitter end.
    Vietnam was one of the most moral, as it stopped a much, much bigger war happening later. Also, voters did not support it because Hippies could vote. They sided with the communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Suits me.

    What is Russia's historical interest in Africa, IYO?
    They have no historical interest, but then what was any European power's interest in Africa before about 1800? The Russians see themselves playing catch up to a British Empire and a French Empire and a even the Belgian Empire. And while Africa is a complete cluster in terms of development, all industrial nations need the natural resources available there.

    Oh, and Russians are big players in the diamond game; diamond mining is centered in Africa.

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