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    Could Nixon Have Survived Watergate?

    If he had gotten out in front of the scandal? If he had admitted that his staff knew the burglars, but that those involved got carried away?

    And, if so, can Trump survive the Russia scandal(s), if he admits what happened and offers an apology?

    (Assuming we have a sense of what the "Russia scandal" is likely to be.)

    Your thoughts?
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    Treason is not excused with an apology.
    ("I'm sorry I robbed that bank" .....won't work in court either)
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    Yep, those tapes were considered his personal property before they were ordered to be turned over.

    He believed the Court would never ask for them and he had a good month to destroy every last one of them if he wanted before he was ordered to.

    He actually had no clue about Watergate until after it happened which is why he didn't actually get charged with that.

    It was only the cover-up for which he got in trouble for, no tapes, no evidence.

    Had Butterfield not let it slip that Nixon even had tapes he wouldn't have gotten in trouble. Is was by pure accident that the Senate found out about them.

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    Nixon should have gone down for war crimes committed against Chile and his covert overthrow of a democratically elected government, but I certainly don't expect YOU to know anything about that considering you think Oliver North did time for Iran/Contra. You probably don't even have a clue as to what crimes North committed and in whose name he committed them. Your knowledge of all things regarding South/Central American history and US involvement couldn't fill a thimble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    If he had gotten out in front of the scandal? If he had admitted that his staff knew the burglars, but that those involved got carried away?
    Maybe, maybe not. There was less tolerance for that kind of behavior back then, but while the public might have forgiven him, I'm not sure about Congress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    And, if so, can Trump survive the Russia scandal(s), if he admits what happened and offers an apology?
    A hypothetical with no chance of actually happening. But assuming it did, there is a difference between Nixon and Trump. Nixon did not, to my knowledge, lie to anyone, including the public, notwithstanding the attempt to withhold evidence. If Trump admits it now, he must admit he has been lying to everyone all along, and I do not think he would survive in office with that.

    Although if something happened this way, there is no telling what could have happened:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_(film)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Treason is not excused with an apology.
    ("I'm sorry I robbed that bank" .....won't work in court either)
    I agree. If the scandal includes Trump taking money, in any form, is most likely going to poison the well with American voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Yep, those tapes were considered his personal property before they were ordered to be turned over.

    He believed the Court would never ask for them and he had a good month to destroy every last one of them if he wanted before he was ordered to.

    He actually had no clue about Watergate until after it happened which is why he didn't actually get charged with that.

    It was only the cover-up for which he got in trouble for, no tapes, no evidence.

    Had Butterfield not let it slip that Nixon even had tapes he wouldn't have gotten in trouble. Is was by pure accident that the Senate found out about them.
    Jesus! What a memory you have.

    The $64,000 question is WHY.

    WTF did Nixon bug the Oval office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Jesus! What a memory you have.

    The $64,000 question is WHY.

    WTF did Nixon bug the Oval office?
    Most presidents did once the technology became available, but they weren't bugs they were recordings. After Nixon it basically stopped because although presidents still have that right they remember what happened to Nixon so they pass on it.

    Most of those that did, did it for the purpose of the memoirs.

    However, in Nixon's case he was paranoid and suffered from massive depression.

    Although I can't verify this part I believe he also recorded conversations in the hopes of getting leverage on someone.

    Current presidents may have started the practice again but we don't have any records of it so nobody knows.

    Yet.
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    He could have if it were the present day... no sweat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    Nixon should have gone down for war crimes committed against Chile and his covert overthrow of a democratically elected government, but I certainly don't expect YOU to know anything about that considering you think Oliver North did time for Iran/Contra. You probably don't even have a clue as to what crimes North committed and in whose name he committed them. Your knowledge of all things regarding South/Central American history and US involvement couldn't fill a thimble.
    Nixon should have been prosecuted for war crimes. Absolutely.

    The use of chemical weapons in Vietnam, Agent Orange and napalm, at the least.

    But even though the U.S. signed the Geneva convention, we never joined the International Criminal Court.

    Truman should have been prosecuted, probably, for nuking Japan.

    Nixon wanted to nuke North Vietnam. I think it's possible he would have, if not he had not been impeached/resigned.

    Crappy as it was, I don't think aiding the Pinochet rebels in Chili was a war crime. At least, not the act of lending support.

    We might well have been killing prisoners, etc. which would be a war crime.
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