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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    His responsibility was to make it more likely to work. It's a hard job. If he wasn't up to the job, he shouldn't have asked for it.

    And, yes, I think he's making it less likely to work by torching bridges the way he is doing. Well, it's working okay for me in some ways, since I don't want Trumpcare, for example. But he's doing his supporters no favors when it comes to healthcare reform, tax reform, safety in the streets, etc.
    I was under no delusion that Congress would work with Trump when he was elected.

    Congress is the problem and the very reason the American people elected Trump as an outsider.

    I suspect the 2018 mid-terms this time will be as devastating for some Republicans as it has been for the Democratic Party.

    The American people are faithfully trying to get rid of these self serving establishment types.

    That's not Trump's fault nor will his supporters hold him accountable for Congresses inactions.

    Trump is doing what the American people elected him to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I was under no delusion that Congress would work with Trump when he was elected.

    Congress is the problem and the very reason the American people elected Trump as an outsider.

    I suspect the 2018 mid-terms this time will be as devastating for some Republicans as it has been for the Democratic Party.

    The American people are faithfully trying to get rid of these self serving establishment types.

    That's not Trump's fault nor will his supporters hold him accountable for Congresses inactions.

    Trump is doing what the American people elected him to do.
    You left out a word. "Republican," Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    You left out a word. "Republican," Congress.
    And, I did intentionally so.

    The term I used was "self serving establishment types" which of course, refers to both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
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    Trump is doing what the American people elected him to do.

    Even a sizable hunk of Trump's core has expressed frustration with Trump's twitter antics.

    Apparently, some such as yourself will defend him no matter what. But many recognize how Trump has harmed his chances of doing what they elected him to do.


    And for my part, that's a silver lining -- his tantrums and him insulting Republicans -- and even Republicans who offered him nothing but loyalty. I wish he weren't that way. But it's a silver lining that he's making it less and less likely that they'll feel compelled to rally around him in order to help put some points on the board.

    He had a couple of pretty good weeks earlier this month, and then he went back to attacking people on his side of the aisle.



    Works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Well soon enough Obamacare will be so expensive nobody will have insurance.
    Only if Trump stops enforcing the parts of the law meant to keep premiums lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Even a sizable hunk of Trump's core has expressed frustration with Trump's twitter antics.

    Apparently, some such as yourself will defend him no matter what. But many recognize how Trump has harmed his chances of doing what they elected him to do.


    And for my part, that's a silver lining -- his tantrums and him insulting Republicans -- and even Republicans who offered him nothing but loyalty. I wish he weren't that way. But it's a silver lining that he's making it less and less likely that they'll feel compelled to rally around him in order to help put some points on the board.

    He had a couple of pretty good weeks earlier this month, and then he went back to attacking people on his side of the aisle.



    Works for me.
    If they believe his then they did not recognize how corrupt the swamp was to begin with or why the American people chose Trump.

    Most Trump supporters, at least in my little reality, knew from the beginning the Republicans would be Trump's biggest obstacle.

    Again, Trump was elected as an outsider in what could be argued was a big middle finger to Congress, especially the Republican Party.

    Never Trumpers, in both Parties, were not going to work with Trump in any way from day one. Trump isn't making worse what was already set in stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Only if Trump stops enforcing the parts of the law meant to keep premiums lower.
    What lower premiums?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#40e4494315be

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#3db4d10a11d2

    Why Health Care Premiums Are Rising Under Obamacare - ABC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    If they believe his then they did not recognize how corrupt the swamp was to begin with or why the American people chose Trump.

    Most Trump supporters, at least in my little reality, knew from the beginning the Republicans would be Trump's biggest obstacle.

    Again, Trump was elected as an outsider in what could be argued was a big middle finger to Congress, especially the Republican Party.

    Never Trumpers, in both Parties, were not going to work with Trump in any way from day one. Trump isn't making worse what was already set in stone.

    Trump allegedly had the skill to get in there and get some wins.

    He's attacking all the people he needs in order to cobble together some sort of working team to get legislation passed. And speaking of working teams, he can't even get his own White House in order. Those are HIS people. HIS chance to show he can hire quality people and be effective.

    The White House is a mess. He's a mess. His most recent clean-up guy, General Kelly, can hardly contain his frustration at Trump. Where's Trump going to go when Kelly decides he's no longer interested in trying to help keep this all together? Probably won't be long before we have to find out the answer to that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    And, I did intentionally so.

    The term I used was "self serving establishment types" which of course, refers to both parties.
    Of course they do. But at least Democrats have a plan to fix the ACA. The Republican non bill is just tearing down what little protection millions have.

    7 years, 60 votes and nothing but taking away.

    Sorry, bud,the right has proven they are not capable of anything but tear down. 7 years,and 60 votes,then to try and ram something down the throats of those who have made it clear,they ain't buying

    Republican Congress people,afraid to have Town halls where they are forced to hear the opinions of those who voted them into office?

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    The lower premiums that result from a larger pool of insured people. Advertising the availability of coverage increases the number of insured--Trump is refusing to do that. Enforcing the individual mandate increases the pool of insured people--Trump has said he won't enforce that part of the law.

    The law of supply and demand doesn't need links. Neither does the basic principle of insurance--spreading out the risk among more people lowers the overall risk and therefore the cost.
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