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    A black tongue is the give away for chows.
    Beautiful creatures, but sadly, yes.

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    Source - 2016 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org

    Note - this is only looking at FATAL injuries. Non-fatal attacks aren't included.

    Bullhockey! I can't tell you how many stories I've read about so-called pitbull attacks, but the dog was not close to being a pitbull. In fact, few people would recognize a pit when they saw it. They (and the fake media) call everything with a big head and broad face a pit. Lots of dogs have those characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell Edison View Post
    Bullhockey! I can't tell you how many stories I've read about so-called pitbull attacks, but the dog was not close to being a pitbull. In fact, few people would recognize a pit when they saw it. They (and the fake media) call everything with a big head and broad face a pit. Lots of dogs have those characteristics.
    We're talking about dogs like the one in post #1, what's that?
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    Pit Bulls Unleashed: Should They Be Banned? - the fifth estate - CBC News

    Wonderful, wonderful journalism. If you aren't familiar with this Canadian series, you should be. They work hard to eliminate sensationalism from their stories, and I feel more confident in their research.

    Anyway, the take-away here is that "no kill" animal shelters are one of several techniques used in the US to rehome pitbulls that have already attacked other animals or even humans. THOUSANDS are airlifted to Canada and rehomed, without ever warning the new owners, and too often, with tragic results.

    The pitbull advocates are so horrible, they attack the families of people mauled or killed by pitbulls for "giving the breed a bad name".

    I thought we might could use a chance to demonstrate our skills at debate over a topic most of us likely care quite a bit about, and that isn't about Trump.

    So....your thoughts? Banning the breed or no?

    (For my part, I say yes, just as I say my neighbor may not keep a fucking lion in his backyard.)
    Totally against banning any breed, full stop. They are not like Lions. Any breed that fighters take up or teach to be attack-guard dogs produces lots of bad apples, but that doesn't spoil the basket. Pit Bulls used to be a FAMILY dog. The 'nanny dog' when other breeds were preferred for fighting/attack dogs. It's not the breed, it's the people with their badly-bred puppy mills.

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    Nothing can rehabilitate a dog after it has attacked a human, especially a child.

    IMO, anyway.
    I agree with that mostly. The advocates go too far with this. But Michael Vick's dog-fighting pits were successfully rehabilitated.

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    Terriers are difficult breeds to train because they are smart and stubborn. I have two JRT's and it is constant correction...but they are small and manageable. Pit bulls are large, strong dogs and they need the right owner who has the time and patience to work with them. Most Pits I have known are just big babies. Sadly, most Pits do end up in the shelters because people can't handle them Terriers also need a lot of exercise. If you do not work them out they get into trouble out of boredom...same with all terriers. My little savages both attended Puppy Preschool and the oldest one's best friend in the class was a Pit. This Pit had a sad story, the owners rescued her and she was disabled when they got her. Someone threw her out of a moving car and the dog broke its back and left her to die on the side of the road. Sweetest dog in the class. It really isn't the breed, IMO, it is the training and the owners who do not know what they are doing with challenging breeds.
    Pits are easy to train. The reason JRTs are not is they are too smart, in a way. If you say 'sit' but your hand does something slightly different than the way it was before, they think this is a new command. They are not the only breed like this. There are a few but Pits are not one of them.

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    You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
    Correct. That bait dog thing is a myth. And it wouldn't even work. Dogs that you want to fight are put in challenging situations where the other dog is a threat to them. Not a harmless one. They can't be 'forced' to fight, but they can be conditioned to.

    So where'd this idea of using bait dogs come from?
    Most likely from misinterpretation of old time fighting dog magazines and books that talked about 'cat mills' and treadmills, on which some dogs were encouraged to run by use of a small animal in a cage held in front of the dog. Another possibility was a misunderstanding of the process of 'rolling' during which a new, young fighting dog would be placed in the pit with an older, seasoned dog in order to teach the young one 'the ropes'. It's ironic that the true method for conditioning a fighting dog actually involved putting him up against a more experienced dog, not a weaker or non-aggressive dog unlikely to fight back. Rolling was all about allowing the new dog to gain experience and learn to maneuver in the pit against a strong, experienced fighter. Rolls were typically stopped before either dog could get seriously hurt.

    What Is A "Bait" Dog? - Myth vs. Fact

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    Source - 2016 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org

    Note - this is only looking at FATAL injuries. Non-fatal attacks aren't included.
    That is due to people puppy milling so many, so many. Way too many! If you bred any other dog that much, they'd have higher fatal stats.

    I noticed Rotties on the list - they haven't been the fighting breed of choice for a long time but when they were, they were higher up on the fatal injuries list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    That is due to people puppy milling so many, so many. Way too many! If you bred any other dog that much, they'd have higher fatal stats.
    Ridiculous. If what you are saying is true how come the popular breeds that those puppy mills turn out far more of don't have the pit bulls reputation? Golden retrievers are the third most popular breed with more puppy mills by far turning out more of these puppies. The pit bull is like about the 80th most popular breed and puppy mills are why they have this reputation? How come the golden retriever doesn't?

    I noticed Rotties on the list - they haven't been the fighting breed of choice for a long time but when they were, they were higher up on the fatal injuries list.
    Regardless of time or which breed was the most popular when, that first place position has ALWAYS been held by the pit bull and it has NEVER so much as been close. The pit bull has always been responsible for more fatal attacks than the next 10 breeds put together. But I know, it's the puppy mills, when those puppy mills are turning out other breeds 1000 times as much. the lab is the most popular breed and puppy mills probably turn out 100's of them for every pit bull they turn out, how come the pit bull is responsible for over 10 times as many fatal attacks if the cause is puppy mills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Ridiculous. If what you are saying is true how come the popular breeds that those puppy mills turn out far more of don't have the pit bulls reputation? Golden retrievers are the third most popular breed with more puppy mills by far turning out more of these puppies. The pit bull is like about the 80th most popular breed and puppy mills are why they have this reputation? How come the golden retriever doesn't?



    Regardless of time or which breed was the most popular when, that first place position has ALWAYS been held by the pit bull and it has NEVER so much as been close. The pit bull has always been responsible for more fatal attacks than the next 10 breeds put together. But I know, it's the puppy mills, when those puppy mills are turning out other breeds 1000 times as much. the lab is the most popular breed and puppy mills probably turn out 100's of them for every pit bull they turn out, how come the pit bull is responsible for over 10 times as many fatal attacks if the cause is puppy mills?
    Not saying it's the only reason. But it is part of the reason.

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