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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    No, it's not. I don't know what you mean by "new guy" but what the Russians did this time around was significantly different than what they've done before. Pretending this was nothing new is just a lie.

    And this is a false comparison too. You're really choosing your political partisans over your country. Shame on you. That's disgusting. People like you will ruin us because you're more dedicated to prevailing politically than in the democratic process. And you back other attempts to destroy American democracy so your minority view can prevail. We have either seen old will see arguments from you defending voter suppression, gerrymandering, and unlimited, anonymous funding of political communication. These are the very things that are destroying our democracy, but you don't care because you think it means your side wins. Shame on you.
    Shame on me? I documented previous examples of the Obama administration bending the press and the organs of government to purely political ends and you think they stopped doing it when the nominees were in place in 2016? Any serious examination of the Russian meddling would start with what Obama did or did not do in 2016.

    And your intellectually dishonest attempt at shaming is pathetic.

    I have posted multiple legitimate sources on Russian meddling in western countries over the past 10 years.

    The responsibility of those tasked with protecting us is the only legitimate first step in any examination.

    Is it happening? I suspect not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Am sure there is. Look how many newbies come right before an election and then we never see them again. But as I have said many times, if anyone can come on here and influence a bunch of us to change our votes, whose fault is that? Regardless if they are being paid? That's all on us for believing them as none of us want the alternative, being forced to use real names to post here. The anonymity on the internet is both a blessing and a curse.
    It is amazingly easy for some to be suckered. Just look at some of the things some members here believe. And the thing is, it's so much more easy to pass on misinformation today than it has been in history. Back in the 80s and 90s it was talk radio that passed on dubious "news". Now it's so many different sources coming at us from all directions. It's a little more difficult to cull the BS today. I mean, look at FB! The crap I see on there day after day is mind boggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Shame on me? I documented previous examples of the Obama administration bending the press and the organs of government to purely political ends and you think they stopped doing it when the nominees were in place in 2016? Any serious examination of the Russian meddling would start with what Obama did or did not do in 2016.

    And your intellectually dishonest attempt at shaming is pathetic.

    I have posted multiple legitimate sources on Russian meddling in western countries over the past 10 years.

    The responsibility of those tasked with protecting us is the only legitimate first step in any examination.

    Is it happening? I suspect not.
    It ppears to be happening slowly. But I think you first need to admit that the evidence shows it has been REPUBLICANS who have prevented us from responding. First, in the campaign as GOP leaders told Obama they would scream "partisan witch hunt" if he did made an issue of Russian meddling during the campaign and second in the very argument you made here--that's there's nothing new going on.

    If you have no shame, that's not my problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    It is amazingly easy for some to be suckered. Just look at some of the things some members here believe. And the thing is, it's so much more easy to pass on misinformation today than it has been in history. Back in the 80s and 90s it was talk radio that passed on dubious "news". Now it's so many different sources coming at us from all directions. It's a little more difficult to cull the BS today. I mean, look at FB! The crap I see on there day after day is mind boggling.
    Yea I gave up on social media except for political forums and a dog forum. Otherwise forget it. I have seen completely sane, rational people believe the strangest things. Mostly tend to be middle aged and older people. Not sure if because they didn't grow up with the internet or what, but they seem to believe if its on the internet, it has to be true.

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    "The man of system, on the contrary, is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. He goes on to establish it completely and in all its parts, without any regard either to the great interests, or to the strong prejudices which may oppose it. He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chess-board. He does not consider that the pieces upon the chess-board have no other principle of motion besides that which the hand impresses upon them; but that, in the great chess-board of human society, every single piece has a principle of motion of its own, altogether different from that which the legislature might chuse to impress upon it. If those two principles coincide and act in the same direction, the game of human society will go on easily and harmoniously, and is very likely to be happy and successful. If they are opposite or different, the game will go on miserably, and the society must be at all times in the highest degree of disorder." - Adam Smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    "The man of system, on the contrary, is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. He goes on to establish it completely and in all its parts, without any regard either to the great interests, or to the strong prejudices which may oppose it. He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chess-board. He does not consider that the pieces upon the chess-board have no other principle of motion besides that which the hand impresses upon them; but that, in the great chess-board of human society, every single piece has a principle of motion of its own, altogether different from that which the legislature might chuse to impress upon it. If those two principles coincide and act in the same direction, the game of human society will go on easily and harmoniously, and is very likely to be happy and successful. If they are opposite or different, the game will go on miserably, and the society must be at all times in the highest degree of disorder." - Adam Smith
    I see in this quotation some rather different than you intended, I think. Specifically, on a host of issues our political system ignores or overrules the desires of the majority, our government having been designed and our politics implemented to favor the interests of certain minorities: rural people and those with money to invest in the purchasing of political loyalty. Large portions of the political spectrum go entirely unspoken, though never those portions associated with rural people or the wealthy.

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