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    Considering what is coming out about Russian exploitation of Facebook and Twitter....

    I wonder what would be found on websites, blogs and forum, especially political forums, like PH.....were there to be analysis, not just of paid advertisers (especially political click bait ones), but of members.....

    As far as I know, it is not illegal to use the internet from anywhere, but it would seem somewhat ironic to find that foreign nations exploited both freedom and capitalism (by buying advertising, (including political ads) click bait space and hiring posers, to drive dividing wedges to cause severe rifts in the nations they consider either their enemies or nations they merely want to manipulate to be more "friendly" toward them.....

    In other words, do sanctions on any nation work to the point a nation feels squeezed enough to work a way to have the sanctions lifted, but still continue to do what they were doing, which were behind the reasons the sanctions were put in place?

    Would a nation like Russia have an interest in influencing our elections to put someone who has outwardly (if they are outwardly that way, imagine how they are with private business interests) expressed a personal policy of NOT holding Russian accountable for much at all, if at all or in any discussions about anything Russia is suspected of doing that is not good, presented a uncharacteristic (relative to the vigor shown in admonishing anyone else, including Americans) half-hearted insincere "scolding", with reiteration of asking why anyone would not want to be friendlier to Russia and Putin....

    If the curtain was pulled back to reveal Russians behind a massive number of means to exploit the internet to influence our elections to the point of success (we know they have tried for years), would the people who are truly Americans, (not Russians posing as disgruntled American "working class" voters, whether they are posing as Trump supporters, disgruntled Clinton supporters (steering voters away from Clinton) or posing as radical leftists steering voters away not just from Clinton, but from Bernie Sander's recommendation to support Clinton), be pissed off to know they were exploited, used, to vote as they did?

    What do YOU think would be found were the curtain to be pulled back, just on this website alone (with the thought that this website was as exploited as any posters here), when it came to the origins of some of the purchased ads and click bait boxes as well as the origins and purposeful, (paid in some manner to post here) motivations for what they are trying to accomplish?

    Anyone think websites such as these were/are no less vulnerable to being exploited for manipulative purposes, unbeknownst to the website owners who sell ad and click bait boxes to anyone with the money to pay for them, as a means to fund the website?
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    The sad and disturbing thing to me is how many Americans seem in denial of this and Trump's odd (throwing suspicion on himself and his campaign) refusal to stand up and say, this is wrong, the U.S. will do all in its power to get to the bottom of it and prevent it and that he has called for opening up his campaign records for scrutiny by those authorized to review them.

    Instead, he denies that the Russians could have successfully influenced the election (in his favor) and strangest of all is his complete change of the usual criticisms and bluster about others when he thinks they have done something wrong, when it comes to Putin and Russia......Trump practically exudes the feeling that they can do no wrong and plays down anything most others might believe was a wrong thing to do on the part of the Russians. Trump is not shy about blasting others, even people that were is own "best people".....until they weren't. When it comes to Putin and Russia, Trump gets all wishy washy and asks why we wouldn't want to be friendlier to Russia...... If he's looking to quell suspicion, he's doing the opposite....Trump might be able to lie with a very straight face. His problem is, he's not a very good liar, to most people, but for his base and some of them don't care if he is lying, as long as he pushes the agenda they agree with, through.
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    Well when you can prove that Hillary would have won except for Russia let us know.

    Obviously it had nothing to do with her running a poor campaign now did it?

    It was all Russia.

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    Although the claim that they interfered with the vote count has been pretty well dispelled, they did at least attempt to influence the election.

    The latest email from CNN:

    On May 21, 2016, a handful of people turned out to protest the opening of a library at an Islamic Center in Houston, Texas. Two held up a banner proclaiming #WhiteLivesMatter. A counter-protest began across the street; video shows a noisy but non-violent confrontation.

    The rally -- called “Stop Islamization of Texas” -- was organized and promoted by a Facebook page called Heart of Texas, which had wrongly alleged that the Islamic library had received public funding. But the Heart of Texas page listed no contacts in the Lone Star state. In fact, it was operated by a “troll factory” called the Internet Research Agency thousands of miles away in St Petersburg, Russia, CNN has learned.

    The Houston rally sheds light on an effort originating in Russia to sow discord in the US through social media; in this case it had real impact on the ground.
    Read more ... Stoking Islamophobia and Secession in Texas -- from an office in Russia - CNNPolitics
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Although the claim that they interfered with the vote count has been pretty well dispelled, they did at least attempt to influence the election.

    The latest email from CNN:



    Read more ... Stoking Islamophobia and Secession in Texas -- from an office in Russia - CNNPolitics
    Spreading lies about Trump's opponent is much more effective than trying to change a few cast votes.
    This is not rocket science.
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    Russia presents a clear and present cyber threat to the entire free world, whether Republicans want to admit it, or not.

    Jessikka Aro: When pro-Russian trolls came after me - BBC News
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    And what would a paid troll accomplish at a message board like PH?

    Well, at the very least they can sow a picture of American divisiveness and also the impression half of America is either crazy or stupid...

    I look for ones that post the same, tired, "minimum effort" dribble.

    Also, ones with a "rooty-tooty, Yankee-Doodle!" avvy might be a giveaway...

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    Who exactly would be influenced by Russian ads?

    What kind of ads would those be?

    These are the little details you guys skip over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Who exactly would be influenced by Russian ads?

    What kind of ads would those be?

    These are the little details you guys skip over.
    It appears you have been.
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