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    The CIA Is A Complete Failure, And Always Has Been

    The CIA was created after WWII, and is the functional descendant of the Office of Strategic Services, among other agencies.

    Like all government agencies, the CIA was not created overnight and functioning at full capacity the following morning. In fact, there were various renditions of an intelligence agency for 6 years prior to the formal establishment of the Central Intelligence Agency. At the beginning of World War II America’s first peacetime, non-departmental intelligence organization was created. That organization moved and morphed and changed names and ownership, was dissected and dismantled before President Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 creating a permanent Central Intelligence Agency.

    Though our directives have changed and generations have turned, our goal to further US national security objectives remains the same. The Agency embraces its roots and celebrates the path that led to the making of America’s premier foreign intelligence agency. As we look to the future we glance at our past to trace the lineage of the CIA to its very beginnings, and to reflect on the different phases it went through, culminating in the creation of the CIA.
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    If the core function of the CIA is to inform our elected officials about the political changes occurring in other nations, it has been a wholesale failure since Day One. Among the geopolitical events the CIA failed to predict are:

    * Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

    * Insistence that Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction".

    * Complete inability to understand Russia or the Soviet Union, ever.

    * Failure to predict the fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent collapse of the Soviet Union.

    Indeed, Moynihan felt, the CIA had done such a poor job in this area that he thought the Agency should be abolished. The CIA, in his view, had utterly failed to see how serious the USSR’s economic problems were, and he made that point over and over again. “For 40 years,” he wrote in 1990, “we have hugely overestimated both the size of the Soviet economy and its rate of growth. This in turn has persistently distorted our estimates of the Soviet threat—notably, in the 1980s when we turned ourselves into a debtor nation to pay for the arms to counter the threat of a nation whose home front, unbeknownst to us, was collapsing.”

    Moynihan boasted later that year that he had been able to see as early as 1979 that “Soviet economic growth was coming to a halt,” and that “the society as well as the economy was sick.” “But our intelligence community,” he said, “just couldn't believe this. They kept reporting that the economy was soaring!” In the public discussion, and to a certain extent even in the scholarly literature, such claims were treated as established fact.

    “As the Bay of Pigs was to intelligence operations,” the columnist William Safire wrote in the New York Times in 1990, “the extended misreading of the Soviet economic debacle is to intelligence evaluation.” According to a 1992 article in the Wall Street Journal, the CIA’s track record “on the really big developments” was “hit-or-miss at best,” with “the downward spiral of the Soviet economy” counting as one of the “more spectacular misses.”

    In 1994 a Newsweek columnist noted in passing that the CIA story was “one of repeated intelligence failures,” culminating in the “monumental miscalculation of the size of the Soviet economy, which the CIA judged to be three times as big as it really was.” And in 1995 the Washington Post columnist Mary McGrory asked rhetorically whether any government department had “goofed up more than the Central Intelligence Agency?” “Their most egregious and expensive blunder about the Soviet economy we are still paying for.”
    https://mises.org/blog/cia-has-always-been-incompetent

    In other words, a casual reader of American newspapers probably had a better sense of the Soviet economy than the CIA.

    But, then as now, the CIA lived in its own little elite bubble where it credulously imbibed foreign propaganda and repeated it as fact. In other cases, as in the case of both Iraq and the Bay of Pigs, the CIA credulously accepted the testimony of Iraqi and Cuban exiles and repeated that as fact.

    As Trachtenberg recognizes, the debate over just how wrong the CIA was continues to be debated among academics today. There is no denying however, that at the core of the CIA's assumptions were the fact that the CIA, just like the Ivy League elite from which CIA agents are drawn, believed that Soviet-style socialism was probably working pretty well, and it was perfectly plausible to believe that the Soviet Economy could indeed overtake that of the US.

    Put another way, the CIA is infected by all the same political and ideological biases and errors harbored by the political elites in general. This should shock no one who takes a realistic view of Washington politics, although it will no doubt continue to surprise — and by denied by —those who fancy themselves as the "adults in the room" who advocate endlessly for ever more spending for military and intelligence agencies.
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    The CIA's failures cost the US and other nations in almost incalculable ways. If they had not shorn up the "domino theory" of Soviet world domination in the 1950's to 1970's, we would most likely never have fought the war in Vietnam. They are even worse at understanding any Asian nation, especially China.

    We are generally united in our condemnation of Donald Trump, but he does offer us one saving grace -- in matters of foreign policy, he disregards the CIA as the font of bullshit it has always been.
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    The CIA has excelled at one aspect of secret squirrel horseshit -- assasination of other nation's leaders and destabilization of their governments.

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    The US has made more than 50 attempts to assassinate political party leaders according to William Blum in his 2003 book Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions since World War II, which is "far and away the best book on the topic" according to Noam Chomsky,[1] and "the single most useful summary of CIA history" in the opinion of former CIA officer John Stockwell.[2] All such operations are illegal, performed for undisclosed reasons by undisclosed people, and rarely if ever is a clear humanitarian benefit identifiable.

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    They are also high achievers at torture and various other serious human rights violations, which considering they fail to extract any usable intelligence, is utterly contemptible.

    (Washington, DC) – The US Senate Intelligence Committee’s report summary on the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) detention and interrogation program is a powerful denunciation of the agency’s extensive and systematic use of torture, Human Rights Watch said today. The 525-page partially redacted summary, released on December 9, 2014, is part of a 6,700-page classified report that the committee has still not indicated it plans to release.

    The summary documents numerous misrepresentations the CIA made about the program’s effectiveness and demonstrates US officials’ knowledge that it was illegal. It underscores the need for the US government to promptly release the full report, bolster oversight of the CIA, and investigate and appropriately prosecute the senior officials responsible for the torture program, Human Rights Watch said.

    “The Senate report should not be relegated to a shelf or hard drive but be the basis for criminal investigations on the use of torture by US officials,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “The failure of the Obama administration to hold those responsible for torture to account risks leaving torture as a policy option when the next inevitable security threat strikes.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The CIA has excelled at one aspect of secret squirrel horseshit -- assasination of other nation's leaders and destabilization of their governments.



    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US/Forei...ons_since_1945

    They are also high achievers at torture and various other serious human rights violations, which considering they fail to extract any usable intelligence, is utterly contemptible.



    https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/12/10/...a-torture-lies
    They sure couldn't do nothing to Fidel

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    The US is loathed around the globe for GOOD REASON: we have the most anti-human foreign policy of any nation that has ever existed, and have had since WWII. The average American has NO idea the misery we sow overseas, and it is not an accident. We need to stop believing CIA bullshit.

    That agency should be terminated. It is irredeemably broken.

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    I think perhaps the real function of the CIA is not what the public thinks it is. Look at their history. To some it is a failure but to them it's functioning as its supposed to. We are in the age of information and the CIA and NSA are The Beast.
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    To be fair, you don't even know a tenth of what the CIA does.

    Do you really think their only goal is to go around the world being evil for no reason?

    They play with the worse people in the world, in their environments, to function it means you need to get dirty with them also.

    Do you have any idea how many people they smuggled out of the Soviet Union during the cold war, including families?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    The US is loathed around the globe for GOOD REASON: we have the most anti-human foreign policy of any nation that has ever existed, and have had since WWII. The average American has NO idea the misery we sow overseas, and it is not an accident. We need to stop believing CIA bullshit.

    That agency should be terminated. It is irredeemably broken.
    Nah. Tell that to a Palestinian in West Bank/Israel. A Rohingya in Burma. A Chechen (or, now, say, Crimean Tatar) in Russia. A Darfurian in Sudan. A Tutsi in Rwanda. A Tibetan in China. Or anyone Kim doesn't like in North Korea. I could go on and on and on. US has been bad. But not the worst no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    I think perhaps the real function of the CIA is not what the public thinks it is. Look at their history. To some it is a failure but to them it's functioning as its supposed to. We are in the age of information and the CIA and NSA are The Beast.
    The CIA and the FBI were created by men who seriously believed, the US should be operated as a secret dictatorship, paraded to the public as a democracy. The fatal flaw in this agency's DNA is partially its intellectual fathers, from Hoover to McCarthy to Kennedy, but also to its dual nature.

    The propaganda machine cannot also gather reliable intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Nah. Tell that to a Palestinian in West Bank/Israel. A Rohingya in Burma. A Chechen (or, now, say, Crimean Tatar) in Russia. A Darfurian in Sudan. A Tutsi in Rwanda. A Tibetan in China. Or anyone Kim doesn't like in North Korea. I could go on and on and on. US has been bad. But not the worst no.
    Which nation has caused more bloodshed than the US, since WWII, IYO?

    I am not claiming we are responsible for ALL of it. But possibly for MOST of it.

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    Your problem is you think the CIA should be a nice agency, they aren't.

    They couldn't do their job if they did.

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