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    Today's gun culture is represented by the Las Vegas killer:

    1. His amassing an arsenal of 47 weapons.....is considered acceptable.
    2. His jerry rigging weapons to become military weapons of war....is considered acceptable.
    3. His ease of moving 23 weapons into a hotel room....is considered acceptable.

    Good for conservative Bret Stephens for challenging today's irresponsible and irrational gun culture.
    May many more voices follow.
    This is an issue any American opposed to gun violence should support.

    Hopefully, that includes every law-abiding citizen.

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    NYT conservative Bret Stephens: 'Repeal the Second Amendment' | TheHill

    I realize that writing for the NYT, as well as winning the Pulitzer, might impair Stephens' standing as a genuine conservative in the eyes of some here on PH. Before joining the NYT in April 2017, he wrote a column for the WSJ, a recognized conservative paper, as well as the neoconservative flagship magazine "Commentary".

    More about Mr. Stephens here:

    Bret Stephens - Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies

    So, a genuine conservative. And I think a necessary idea: the 2nd Amendment is killing us.

    Your thoughts?
    It's not the second amendment, it's the BS around it. It was written for a time when standing armies were a threat to a society and the age's old militia system was a great, local and practical way to defend a neighborhood, town or county: there were more militia men fighting in the Revolution than uniformed soldiers.

    When the far right-wing (read antebellum southern confederates) took over the Republican party, the second amendment became an endangered species. And to compensate for that, more people had to buy more guns and show their patriotism.

    So, that's all it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It's not the second amendment, it's the BS around it. It was written for a time when standing armies were a threat to a society and the age's old militia system was a great, local and practical way to defend a neighborhood, town or county: there were more militia men fighting in the Revolution than uniformed soldiers.

    When the far right-wing (read antebellum southern confederates) took over the Republican party, the second amendment became an endangered species. And to compensate for that, more people had to buy more guns and show their patriotism.

    So, that's all it is.
    I don't disagree, but SCOTUS does. We cannot restrict access to guns unless we repeal the 2nd amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It's not the second amendment, it's the BS around it. It was written for a time when standing armies were a threat to a society and the age's old militia system was a great, local and practical way to defend a neighborhood, town or county: there were more militia men fighting in the Revolution than uniformed soldiers.

    When the far right-wing (read antebellum southern confederates) took over the Republican party, the second amendment became an endangered species. And to compensate for that, more people had to buy more guns and show their patriotism.

    So, that's all it is.
    The Second Amendment's concept predates the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment was tested in the 1870s and 1880s and was left in the same condition as 1791. The first effective assault on the Second Amendment was the National Firearms Act of 1934, which was abetted by United States v. Miller (1939), with no constitutional basis.

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    A bullet should cost a million dollars, that should cut down the amount people actually fire their fucking guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    A bullet should cost a million dollars, that should cut down the amount people actually fire their fucking guns.
    A some point you'll realize that idealism doesn't connect with realism. Sure your idea would work, but the conditions are wrong and never will be right for a million dollar bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    A some point you'll realize that idealism doesn't connect with realism. Sure your idea would work, but the conditions are wrong and never will be right for a million dollar bullet.
    Too bad, I could make a fucking fortune.

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    Like all solutions like these, some would consider drastic or promising, the question arises: what to do about the guns that already exist in our society? This is not a deflection, this is a hurdle that will be a head-scratcher for any solution offered.

    We have a very unique issue here. Many point to other countries and cultures as having few issues with gun laws that restrict ownership and/or gun bans. And their results are their results.

    In order to have similar results you have to remove the guns that are already in circulation and I can't think of a modern country that has had to do that to the level we would.

    The worry for some is door to door confiscation, which is a self-fullfilling prophecy on the notion that "they are coming for our guns." It would go very bad... and those are registered lawful gun owners.

    And that doesn't touch the subject of all the guns on the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Too bad, I could make a fucking fortune.
    I have an idealistic approach of my own. I thought melting down all the guns and turning that molten metal into playground equipment for kids would be a neat idea.

    Never in a million years, but would be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post




    NYT conservative Bret Stephens: 'Repeal the Second Amendment' | TheHill

    I realize that writing for the NYT, as well as winning the Pulitzer, might impair Stephens' standing as a genuine conservative in the eyes of some here on PH. Before joining the NYT in April 2017, he wrote a column for the WSJ, a recognized conservative paper, as well as the neoconservative flagship magazine "Commentary".

    More about Mr. Stephens here:

    Bret Stephens - Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies

    So, a genuine conservative. And I think a necessary idea: the 2nd Amendment is killing us.

    Your thoughts?
    There are a number of strains of conservatism. I'm pretty conservative and I don't support such shenanigans. I'd even go so far as to "guess" most conservatives wouldn't.

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