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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    I have an idealistic approach of my own. I thought melting down all the guns and turning that molten metal into playground equipment for kids would be a neat idea.

    Never in a million years, but would be cool.
    I don't think I make a fortune doing that. I like my idea better.
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    Like all solutions like these, some would consider drastic or promising, the question arises: what to do about the guns that already exist in our society? This is not a deflection, this is a hurdle that will be a head-scratcher for any solution offered.

    We have a very unique issue here. Many point to other countries and cultures as having few issues with gun laws that restrict ownership and/or gun bans. And their results are their results.

    In order to have similar results you have to remove the guns that are already in circulation and I can't think of a modern country that has had to do that to the level we would.

    The worry for some is door to door confiscation, which is a self-fullfilling prophecy on the notion that "they are coming for our guns." It would go very bad... and those are registered lawful gun owners.

    And that doesn't touch the subject of all the guns on the street.
    The US is unique to this issue because the 2A has been embedded in our Constitution from the beginning. It would be a nightmare if door to door confiscation happened, it would cause a civil war. Guns on the street is the issue with people buying into stricter gun control...some movement needs to be made there first before you can ask lawful gun owners to surrender theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Like all solutions like these, some would consider drastic or promising, the question arises: what to do about the guns that already exist in our society? This is not a deflection, this is a hurdle that will be a head-scratcher for any solution offered.

    We have a very unique issue here. Many point to other countries and cultures as having few issues with gun laws that restrict ownership and/or gun bans. And their results are their results.

    In order to have similar results you have to remove the guns that are already in circulation and I can't think of a modern country that has had to do that to the level we would.

    The worry for some is door to door confiscation, which is a self-fullfilling prophecy on the notion that "they are coming for our guns." It would go very bad... and those are registered lawful gun owners.

    And that doesn't touch the subject of all the guns on the street.
    One could start with paid amnesties conducted regularly, and the government pays above market value for the weapons.

    Destroy the weapons handed in.

    Restrictions on availability of the more military style weapons and ban auto and semi-auto as unnecessary.

    Make gun storage in safes mandatory subject to Police inspection.

    Make licencing mandatory and disqualify convicted criminals and the mentally ill from owing guns.

    Stiff penalties for infringements.

    These measures would show a decrease in availability over time and slowly modify the culture. The US needs to fall out of love with guns, and this will take a few generations. But it really needs to be done yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I don't disagree, but SCOTUS does. We cannot restrict access to guns unless we repeal the 2nd amendment.
    We already restricted access to guns. It's not a violation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    The Second Amendment's concept predates the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment was tested in the 1870s and 1880s and was left in the same condition as 1791. The first effective assault on the Second Amendment was the National Firearms Act of 1934, which was abetted by United States v. Miller (1939), with no constitutional basis.
    It was a modified weapon not suitable for service and therefore not protected. There was no assault.

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    Stephens is right in what he is saying. My position has always been that the only gun(s) citizens should be allowed to purchase and keep are small hand guns to keep in the house for protection. All others should be outright banned including rifles The killing of innocent animals just for sport and entertainment should also be banned with heavy penalties for infractions. The only exception would be the animals that we use for food to eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It was a modified weapon not suitable for service and therefore not protected. There was no assault.
    That is irrelevant regarding the Second Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    One could start with paid amnesties conducted regularly, and the government pays above market value for the weapons.

    Destroy the weapons handed in.

    Restrictions on availability of the more military style weapons and ban auto and semi-auto as unnecessary.

    Make gun storage in safes mandatory subject to Police inspection.

    Make licencing mandatory and disqualify convicted criminals and the mentally ill from owing guns.

    These measures would show a decrease in availability over time and slowly modify the culture. The US needs to fall out of love with guns, and this will take a few generations. But it really needs to be done yesterday.
    Good ideas although I'm always wary on the "mental" health issue. That's a pretty slippery slope.

    For the life of me I don't understand why we don't treat guns like we do cars.

    Since regulations on cars, the deaths by cars has gone way down

    And nobody is suggesting we get rid of all cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post




    NYT conservative Bret Stephens: 'Repeal the Second Amendment' | TheHill

    I realize that writing for the NYT, as well as winning the Pulitzer, might impair Stephens' standing as a genuine conservative in the eyes of some here on PH. Before joining the NYT in April 2017, he wrote a column for the WSJ, a recognized conservative paper, as well as the neoconservative flagship magazine "Commentary".

    More about Mr. Stephens here:

    Bret Stephens - Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies

    So, a genuine conservative. And I think a necessary idea: the 2nd Amendment is killing us.

    Your thoughts?
    Well he's certainly not a genuine conservative on the issue of the second amendment. He's actually a liberal on the issue if he's arguing for change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Well he's certainly not a genuine conservative on the issue of the second amendment. He's actually a liberal on the issue if he's arguing for change.
    Why can't conservatives also support some gun restrictions?

    This is what he said in the link.

    “Gun ownership should never be outlawed,” he writes. “But it doesn’t need a blanket Constitutional protection, either.”

    I don't think that's a particularly controversial stand to take.

    BTW, for sure he is a conservative. Some were cancelling their NYT subscriptions because of his views on climate change.

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