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    Conservative Pundit Calls For Repeal of 2nd Amendment



    Conservative New York Times columnist Bret Stephens called for a repeal of the Second Amendment in a Thursday op-ed, arguing that while gun ownership shouldn’t be outlawed, “it doesn’t need a blanket Constitutional protection, either.”

    Stephens’s op-ed comes in the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, when a gunman opened fire on an outdoor concert in Las Vegas on Sunday, killing at least 58 people.

    "I have never understood the conservative fetish for the Second Amendment," Stephens, who is also an MSNBC contributor, writes.

    The 43-year-old former Wall Street Journal columnist goes on to cite various studies showing that more guns means more murder and less safety before pushing back on the “quaint” argument that a “well-regulated militia” is “necessary to the security of a free State.”

    "The Minutemen that will deter Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un are based in missile silos in Minot, N.D., not farmhouses in Lexington, Mass,” he writes, referring to Minot Air Force Base.

    "From a personal liberty standpoint, the idea that an armed citizenry is the ultimate check on the ambitions and encroachments of government power is curious," Stephens continues. "The Whiskey Rebellion of the 1790s, the New York draft riots of 1863, the coal miners’ rebellion of 1921, the Brink’s robbery of 1981 — does any serious conservative think of these as great moments in Second Amendment activism?"

    “Gun ownership should never be outlawed,” he writes. “But it doesn’t need a blanket Constitutional protection, either.”

    The conservative commentator concludes by guessing James Madison’s response to the increased gun violence in the U.S.

    "I wonder what Madison would have to say about that today, when more than twice as many Americans perished last year at the hands of their fellows as died in battle during the entire Revolutionary War," he writes. "My guess: Take the guns—or at least the presumptive right to them—away. The true foundation of American exceptionalism should be our capacity for moral and constitutional renewal, not our instinct for self-destruction."

    Stephens jumped from the Journal to the rival Times in April. He won a Pulitzer Prize for commentary in 2013.
    NYT conservative Bret Stephens: 'Repeal the Second Amendment' | TheHill

    I realize that writing for the NYT, as well as winning the Pulitzer, might impair Stephens' standing as a genuine conservative in the eyes of some here on PH. Before joining the NYT in April 2017, he wrote a column for the WSJ, a recognized conservative paper, as well as the neoconservative flagship magazine "Commentary".

    More about Mr. Stephens here:

    Bret Stephens - Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies

    So, a genuine conservative. And I think a necessary idea: the 2nd Amendment is killing us.

    Your thoughts?
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    Let us see if he can starte a movement. Neater the crazies.
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    Stephens takes the unsubstantiated and absurd liberty that Madison would agree with him. He falsely declares that more guns equals more murders but twenty five years of data proves him wrong. He claims that the only way to prevent a crime with a gun is to commit homicide. He invokes the Whiskey Rebellion as indicative of the futility of rebellion seems to be clueless about what the American Revolution was and obvlivious of examples such as Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Stephens takes the unsubstantiated and absurd liberty that Madison would agree with him. He falsely declares that more guns equals more murders but twenty five years of data proves him wrong. He claims that the only way to prevent a crime with a gun is to commit homicide. He invokes the Whiskey Rebellion as indicative of the futility of rebellion seems to be clueless about what the American Revolution was and obvlivious of examples such as Afghanistan.
    This post is so wrong, it must be engraved on the entry to the town hall in Wrongville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Let us see if he can starte a movement. Neater the crazies.
    I thought YOU objected to the gun violence in America? What is stopping YOU from working to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Did YOU work to pass the ERA, or did YOU sit idly by and expect others to carry your water? Success on this type venture requires the ACTIVE support of everyone.

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    Change the 2nd A wording.
    From this:
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    To this:
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to live and receive healthcare shall not be infringed."
    Last edited by Devil505; 8th October 2017 at 05:49 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This post is so wrong, it must be engraved on the entry to the town hall in Wrongville.
    Before the engraving, what is "so wrong?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Before the engraving, what is "so wrong?"
    Lol. What, a witty quip is not enough?

    I am not at my desk. Let me reply in full later, with links, etc.
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    Today's gun culture is represented by the Las Vegas killer:

    1. His amassing an arsenal of 47 weapons.....is considered acceptable.
    2. His jerry rigging weapons to become military weapons of war....is considered acceptable.
    3. His ease of moving 23 weapons into a hotel room....is considered acceptable.

    Good for conservative Bret Stephens for challenging today's irresponsible and irrational gun culture.
    May many more voices follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Lol. What, a witty quip is not enough?

    I am not at my desk. Let me reply in full later, with links, etc.
    Good deal.

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