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    The War In Education

    School Privatization Is Educational Apartheid by Another Name

    It's a nauseatingly one-sided take on education. I agree that education should be publicly funded, but I cite this as an example of the sorts of propaganda that are flying everywhere on the issue.

    In particular, what annoyed me was this:

    Over the past five or so years, we have seen a real uptick in the numbers of parents who are trying to escape their public-school systems, which are populated with low-performing charter schools and dysfunctional and low-achieving traditional public schools. What they do is enroll their children in higher-performing schools outside of their districts using the addresses of friends or family. Many districts across the country have begun to hire private investigators to surveil their students and when they discover that the students are enrolled in schools outside of the district in which they live, they are arresting the parents and charging them with educational theft, or stealing school....
    This is one of the ways that we can really see how education has become a commodity. We are willing to send parents to jail for wanting the same type of education for their kids as wealthy parents get. We simply do not believe that economically vulnerable children deserve the same type of education.
    Okay. So we do not believe vulnerable kids deserve the same type of education... There is a lot wrong with this as a conclusion.

    Parents who live in shit neighborhoods packed with poor people, many of whom do NOT value education and/or are trapped in circumstances that prohibit them from properly preparing their children for school. So they try to find a way to get their kids into a different school. That school then objects, and says that if you aren't living here and paying taxes here you can't got to school here.

    That's where the author says, "We simply do not believe that economically vulnerable children deserve the same type of education." I'm not sure that's a fair conclusion.

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    Jesus... US sure arrests its people for a hell of a lot of things. No wonder you guys have an even bigger prison population than Russia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    School Privatization Is Educational Apartheid by Another Name

    It's a nauseatingly one-sided take on education. I agree that education should be publicly funded, but I cite this as an example of the sorts of propaganda that are flying everywhere on the issue.

    In particular, what annoyed me was this:



    Okay. So we do not believe vulnerable kids deserve the same type of education... There is a lot wrong with this as a conclusion.

    Parents who live in shit neighborhoods packed with poor people, many of whom do NOT value education and/or are trapped in circumstances that prohibit them from properly preparing their children for school. So they try to find a way to get their kids into a different school. That school then objects, and says that if you aren't living here and paying taxes here you can't got to school here.

    That's where the author says, "We simply do not believe that economically vulnerable children deserve the same type of education." I'm not sure that's a fair conclusion.
    Well I suppose no one you ask would admit that they think those (mostly poorer) kids don't deserve the same education as the (mostly richer) kids do. But if we did think everyone deserved the same level of education, why hasn't the problem been corrected? Why do poorer neighborhoods have worse schools that parents are willing to risk jail time to avoid sending their kids to?

    I would think if it was generally accepted that all kids deserved the same level of education, they would be getting it by now. Schools wouldn't be so bad that parents feel compelled to commit fraud so that their kids can go to a good (also public) school. Also, I don't get what this has to do with private schools being apartheid. Isn't the whole point of parents faking an address so that kids can be in another public school district? I realize that all schools can't be identical, but why do you see such a stark disparity in every state and even within virtually every county in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Well I suppose no one you ask would admit that they think those (mostly poorer) kids don't deserve the same education as the (mostly richer) kids do. But if we did think everyone deserved the same level of education, why hasn't the problem been corrected? Why do poorer neighborhoods have worse schools that parents are willing to risk jail time to avoid sending their kids to?

    I would think if it was generally accepted that all kids deserved the same level of education, they would be getting it by now. Schools wouldn't be so bad that parents feel compelled to commit fraud so that their kids can go to a good (also public) school. Also, I don't get what this has to do with private schools being apartheid. Isn't the whole point of parents faking an address so that kids can be in another public school district? I realize that all schools can't be identical, but why do you see such a stark disparity in every state and even within virtually every county in the US?
    I am not sure this is even a poor vs rich thing. I know quite a few parents who do this that arent well off. But they do care very much about their kids education and do this to get them into a district where they can thrive. They dont have the money to go to private schools and some have even complained at their district schools to do better. But here we have a terrible opioid crisis and a lot of parents are affected. They are addicted and dont have the where with all to pay attention to their kids. They need help themselves. So other parents, do what they feel they must and get their kids out of there. Sadly some teachers feel the same and either ask for reassignment or apply in better districts. Which all goes to making certain school districts even worse. I do wonder if this isnt due to fewer kids these days. During the baby boom, there were so many kids and people everywhere cared about education. Now you go to school meetings and there is the senior citizen who cant afford higher taxes and votes down a budget, or the millenial who has no kids and cant afford their taxes due to student loans. So it hurts all the more. Schools are in a bind they need an influx of money but taxpayers cant afford it or dont want to.

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    If you do not have a lot of money but are upwardly mobile, and teach your children that school is vitally important for their futures, and coach them regularly to avoid trouble and grind through the craziness they will see, and work 2 jobs to keep them fed and clothed, if they do well they can work their way out and into a better life.

    But in your community you will be surrounded by people who aren't really that interested. They think life is cheap, the high-falutin bullshit of the rich folks is just another game played by another class, school is a waste of time. This set of beliefs is perpetuated through the generations. "If it was good enough for me Pappy, it's good enough fer me!" Still others will rightly perceive the good they are trying to achieve in school, but will show up hungry fairly regularly, poorly clothed, freezing, not sleeping, dealing with abuse, drugs, every sort of insecurity.

    You can't just say that if Americans wanted everyone to have an education they would have done something about it. It's not that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    If you do not have a lot of money but are upwardly mobile, and teach your children that school is vitally important for their futures, and coach them regularly to avoid trouble and grind through the craziness they will see, and work 2 jobs to keep them fed and clothed, if they do well they can work their way out and into a better life.

    But in your community you will be surrounded by people who aren't really that interested. They think life is cheap, the high-falutin bullshit of the rich folks is just another game played by another class, school is a waste of time. This set of beliefs is perpetuated through the generations. "If it was good enough for me Pappy, it's good enough fer me!" Still others will rightly perceive the good they are trying to achieve in school, but will show up hungry fairly regularly, poorly clothed, freezing, not sleeping, dealing with abuse, drugs, every sort of insecurity.

    You can't just say that if Americans wanted everyone to have an education they would have done something about it. It's not that simple.
    The idea of public education is a noble one and I dont think anyone realized how divided and unequal our modern society would become. I have a lot of Canadian friends and whenever we talk about single payer healthcare, they point out our public education system as proof, it wont work here. They claim if everyone is supposed to have a fair and equal shot at education but doesnt, how the hell with healthcare work? Of course the best hospitals, doctors and such will be in better neighborhoods. You know a politician or CEO having a heart attack is going to be taken to the best hospital, not the one poor people go to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    The idea of public education is a noble one and I dont think anyone realized how divided and unequal our modern society would become. I have a lot of Canadian friends and whenever we talk about single payer healthcare, they point out our public education system as proof, it wont work here. They claim if everyone is supposed to have a fair and equal shot at education but doesnt, how the hell with healthcare work? Of course the best hospitals, doctors and such will be in better neighborhoods. You know a politician or CEO having a heart attack is going to be taken to the best hospital, not the one poor people go to.
    True, but I'll bet crappier hospitals are in crappier neighborhoods in Canada, too. The point is, they're funded. If in some areas people are shooting out hospital windows and lighting fires in dumpsters, that doesn't mean that funding the healthcare doesn't work. It means you cannot guarantee that everything will be the same for all people in all areas. No shit. I'm okay with that. We should be covering a standard effort to cover people, though, in education and healthcare. Districts that squander their resources will not perform as well. And in those districts, if the residents are so inclined, they should aggressively lobby to replace administrators for their districts to clean things up.

    We will never see all people having equal access to everything, in equal settings. Public schooling has been this way forever. But it still works, for the most part, and in areas where people put themselves into the system and work on it, they send kids off in droves to Ivy League schools every year. From public schools. Well prepared. And they go on and kick ass from there.

    Schooling isn't just about schools. It's about income inequality, economic opportunity, the overall health of communities, etc.

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