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    Appears there are lots of Mt Sinai hospital locations. And many are still active/operational.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    Madeline, I have not suffered the severity of your circumstances, but I can relate on some level to your relationship with Jewish people. One of the strongest influences of my formative years was a very elderly German-Jewish lady, who narrowly escaped extermination in the Dachau concentration camp. My upbringing was a comparatively advantaged one, but from this lady I learnt many valuable things, including an appreciation of pictorial art (she was an accomplished artist who had many exhibitions in Britain,) as well as the performing arts. She was like another gran to me, and visited almost weekly at the boarding school in which I was entombed from an early age. I also learnt many aspects of Jewish culture from her without a hint of indoctrination. She, together with a Jewish professor of architecture, with whom I regularly played chess through high school, was responsible for the generally high regard in which I hold Jewish culture, and my perplexedness at anti-semitism throughout the world. How can a kind and hospitable people who value education and the arts, be held in such low esteem by so many people?

    One of the best life lessons I learnt was on the occasion where I made some silly remark about 'Pakkies'. It was a joke I heard at school (I was like 12 at the time,) but my German-Jewish 'gran' ever so gently reminded me that I have never been a member of a disadvantaged minority in my life, and given my circumstances; I would very likely never be. That was all she needed to say, and I am reminded of the implications of that to this day.

    And may I say that it is kind and accepting people such as yourself who are the ideal antidote to the myth of the 'Ugly American' so common across the world.
    You are a treasure, Leo. Really.

    I hardly think of myself as "kind", being as I am motivated to annoy and afflict the evildoers in this world to the best of my ability.

    I seriously need more justice in my community.

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    Cycling back to the Op: in furtherance of this thirst for justice, I would prefer PH to ban speech that demonized Israelis, or Jews, or black Americans as violent, murdering thugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Cycling back to the Op: in furtherance of this thirst for justice, I would prefer PH to ban speech that demonized Israelis, or Jews, or black Americans as violent, murdering thugs.
    If we can't criticize Israel here, than people shouldn't be allowed to criticize any other country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    If we can't criticize Israel here, than people shouldn't be allowed to criticize any other country.
    We can criticize Israel. Everyone has, I think, including me. But "criticism" cannot be stretched to cover ridiculous, delusional assertions that Israeli Jews -- all 8 million of them -- are bloodthirsty, psychopathic murderers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    We can criticize Israel. Everyone has, I think, including me. But "criticism" cannot be stretched to cover ridiculous, delusional assertions that Israeli Jews -- all 8 million of them -- are bloodthirsty, psychopathic murderers.
    I don't think anyone ever said that.

    Frankly, there are other nations and peoples far more maligned and stereotyped, these days lol

    Including Russians too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    What if his sir name was completely unpronounceable? Maybe she just didn't want her children to have to go through life with a name that took a native Italian to pronounce. I know it sounds silly but sometimes if a sir name is next to impossible for the average person to pronounce or remember in a country or region and you plan to spend your life in that country or region it might be a good idea to try and make the next generations life a little easier. Just for shits and giggles lets say the guy wasn't Italian and his name was Wiener. What about that? What if the name is just plain open to ridicule in the country or region you are planning to spend your life? Then is it a deal breaker? Please don't tell me that you can keep your maiden name because of course you can but your kids are going to be cursed with his name or a hyphenated version which may actual be worse.
    The name was Del Vecchio. That's not hard to pronounce. Maybe the young woman was thinking about her possible children and how hard it would have been for them. I don't know. I just know it's a shame that two people who obviously cared very much for each other were kept apart over something like that. And I think that was the point my mother was making when she told me that. She made it clear that Italians back then were treated much like blacks during Jim Crow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    If we can't criticize Israel here, than people shouldn't be allowed to criticize any other country.
    Continually call for the destruction of Israel and this place can ban me permanently because I won't put up with that crap. Let me tell you something, my better half has no family. Because his father's family were completely wiped out by the Nazis for protecting Jewish neighbors in Poland. He is the LAST MALE TO CARRY THE FAMILY NAME. if the hate was so great that ANYONE who considered Jewish people "family" in Poland to the effect that only ONE survived ONE don't think for one minute I'll let anyone here call for the destruction of Israel and let it pass. And I don't a fat baby's ass who doesn't like it.


    My husband's family were not Jewish
    My husband's family were devout Catholics
    They don't exist because hating Jews wasn't enough

    I stand with the Jewish people, because throughout history every single nation that rose up against them are no more.

    Criticizing policy or corrupt politicians is perfectly normal but to wax poetic about the destruction of Israel with faux pompousity and manufactured intellect that actually covers up massive paranoia and hate will definitely bring out the beast in me.

    I don't usually share but knowing the kindness and strength this man's father had and to know that when my better half dies that name goes with him.

    So I raise my glass to Israel's scrappy, relentless and determined attitude to exist. And fuck the Jew haters here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I don't think anyone ever said that.
    One person has certain come close.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Frankly, there are other nations and peoples far more maligned and stereotyped, these days lol

    Including Russians too...
    I think the only one who routinely says negative things about Russians is you.

    Which other nations/peoples are more maligned and stereotyped on PH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    One person has certain come close.


    I think the only one who routinely says negative things about Russians is you.

    Which other nations/peoples are more maligned and stereotyped on PH?
    Chicago, everyone seems to hate chicago. And some consider it a country.
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