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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Chicago, everyone seems to hate chicago. And some consider it a country.
    Bartlet: What is it with people from Chicago that they're so happy to have been born there? I meet so many people who can't wait to tell me they're from Chicago and when I meet them, they're living anywhere but Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Cycling back to the Op: in furtherance of this thirst for justice, I would prefer PH to ban speech that demonized Israelis, or Jews, or black Americans as violent, murdering thugs.
    No board should be whitewashed. I dislike it as well but posters are a glimpse of reality that makes it impossible to deny or pretend racism is gone and that Israel is all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    No board should be whitewashed. I dislike it as well but posters are a glimpse of reality that makes it impossible to deny or pretend racism is gone and that Israel is all good.
    But when poster wax poetic about the destruction of israel, its time to lock and load the verbal howitzers. And if a ban comes off it? Fuck it. The point will be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Bartlet: What is it with people from Chicago that they're so happy to have been born there? I meet so many people who can't wait to tell me they're from Chicago and when I meet them, they're living anywhere but Chicago.

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    I like chicago but not in winter, that shit is just ridiculous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    But when poster wax poetic about the destruction of israel, its time to lock and load the verbal howitzers. And if a ban comes off it? Fuck it. The point will be made.
    Calling for the destruction of anything is an empty threat that may or may not get the poster banned depending on the threat I would guess. I was speaking mainly about the many posters like myself and the rest of the world, who find the David/Goliath game going on with Netanyahu to be a moral sin. I don't want Israel destroyed but I don't want Israel destroying Palestine either. I also don't want the dumb ass Trump tinkering with the Embassy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    When I married, in 1974, my MIL was horrified that I did not change my last name. Partially because of the tradition, but what she said was "this is your chance to get rid of that ethnic-sounding name you have", by which she meant I could better conceal the fact that my family had been Catholics.

    Her opinion was not rare.

    There has always been a huge American WASP bias against the immigrants, and more specifically, the Irish and Italians. These people were not "white" in the sense that they did not enjoy the white privilege accorded to WASPs, until very late in the 20th century, when they were needed to swell the ranks.

    William F. Buckley Jr. is credited with the strategy of including them in GOP appeals that resulted in the election of Nixon, in 1968.

    There's a fabulous documentary about Buckley's convention debates with Gore Vidal called "Best of Enemies".

    I found it so enthralling, I bought a copy and have watched it several times.

    Point is, these old allegiances and antagonisms are passed along from one generation to the next, if you examine them closely.

    Personally, I hear nothing new in Adrianna Huffington's incessant screeds about Israel and the Jews that I didn't grow up hearing, and that my parents didn't hear from the likes of Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford.

    It's just being recycled, which doesn't make it any less dangerous.
    @Madeline you don't seem to get my question. It is not the ethnic sounding name that I am asking about. Would you have issues with your daughter taking a name that was too hard to pronounce or too hard to remember or had some native swear word meaning like Weiner? Think about a name like Exceyerooutimizeory. It's a made up name so it is not from any ethnic group so its not about a group or culture just the name itself. Would you give her the advice to keep her maiden name or maybe the advice of changing the surname all together to something shorter, easier to spell and remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Calling for the destruction of anything is an empty threat that may or may not get the poster banned depending on the threat I would guess. I was speaking mainly about the many posters like myself and the rest of the world, who find the David/Goliath game going on with Netanyahu to be a moral sin. I don't want Israel destroyed but I don't want Israel destroying Palestine either. I also don't want the dumb ass Trump tinkering with the Embassy.
    I agree with you there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Continually call for the destruction of Israel and this place can ban me permanently because I won't put up with that crap. Let me tell you something, my better half has no family. Because his father's family were completely wiped out by the Nazis for protecting Jewish neighbors in Poland. He is the LAST MALE TO CARRY THE FAMILY NAME. if the hate was so great that ANYONE who considered Jewish people "family" in Poland to the effect that only ONE survived ONE don't think for one minute I'll let anyone here call for the destruction of Israel and let it pass. And I don't a fat baby's ass who doesn't like it.


    My husband's family were not Jewish
    My husband's family were devout Catholics
    They don't exist because hating Jews wasn't enough

    I stand with the Jewish people, because throughout history every single nation that rose up against them are no more.

    Criticizing policy or corrupt politicians is perfectly normal but to wax poetic about the destruction of Israel with faux pompousity and manufactured intellect that actually covers up massive paranoia and hate will definitely bring out the beast in me.

    I don't usually share but knowing the kindness and strength this man's father had and to know that when my better half dies that name goes with him.

    So I raise my glass to Israel's scrappy, relentless and determined attitude to exist. And fuck the Jew haters here.
    Holocaust was a terrible thing. But, Jews were by far not the only people to face a genocide in our world. My mother's Armenian ancestors suffered their own hell at the hands of the Turks. And her own mother, my grandma Katya, lost all three of her brothers in WWII as well. And my father's Cossack ancestors suffered own genocide in the 1920s, by the Bolsheviks.

    All of it is sad. None of it has anything to do with what happens today. Nor does it justify any nation that suffered such things in its past to engage in own nasty behavior now.

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    One person has certain come close.


    I think the only one who routinely says negative things about Russians is you.

    Which other nations/peoples are more maligned and stereotyped on PH?
    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Read that "Can A Person Be Jewish And Not Know It?" thread. At least one poster is way, way, way across the line.

    I can't recall reading any criticism of all 150 million Russians, and you've certainly driven home the point that they are many, many peoples living under one government.

    Hopefully, you don't feel any abuse I hurl at Putin is meant to describe every Russian.
    Well, there was a guy named Bourne, we bashed heads a lot lol And, before, also a Ukrainian-American poster going by "Stefan Bandera"... Though, with that one, we actually began to get on better, after awhile

    Me criticising the shit that goes on over there, is not the same as what has, honestly, become a common theme in the Western world today. Russia = evil. Or whatever.

    Russian athletes = dopers, by definition. While American gymnasts can have muscles like Arnold, but not be accused of any of it lol

    People talking crap about Crimea or Donbass, without understanding the full complexity of the issues there.

    Among other things.

    Not to mention Russia is sanctioned for annexation of Crimea, while aforementioned Israel gets away with occupying West Bank and Golan Heights. As I mentioned before.

    This is what irritates me. I don't know a lot about the politics over there, nor does it even interest me all that much. I have no idea who is right there.

    It's the American hypocrisy on WB vs. Crimea that pisses me off.

    Oh, and Muslims, for one, is a group that has been posted about in much worse tones here than Jews or Israelis.

    And Koreans. A poster I recall did suggest actually nuking North Korea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Holocaust was a terrible thing. But, Jews were by far not the only people to face a genocide in our world. My mother's Armenian ancestors suffered their own hell at the hands of the Turks. And her own mother, my grandma Katya, lost all three of her brothers in WWII as well. And my father's Cossack ancestors suffered own genocide in the 1920s, by the Bolsheviks.

    All of it is sad. None of it has anything to do with what happens today. Nor does it justify any nation that suffered such things in its past to engage in own nasty behavior now.





    Well, there was a guy named Bourne, we bashed heads a lot lol And, before, also a Ukrainian-American poster going by "Stefan Bandera"... Though, with that one, we actually began to get on better, after awhile

    Me criticising the shit that goes on over there, is not the same as what has, honestly, become a common theme in the Western world today. Russia = evil. Or whatever.

    Russian athletes = dopers, by definition. While American gymnasts can have muscles like Arnold, but not be accused of any of it lol

    People talking crap about Crimea or Donbass, without understanding the full complexity of the issues there.

    Among other things.

    Not to mention Russia is sanctioned for annexation of Crimea, while aforementioned Israel gets away with occupying West Bank and Golan Heights. As I mentioned before.

    This is what irritates me. I don't know a lot about the politics over there, nor does it even interest me all that much. I have no idea who is right there.

    It's the American hypocrisy on WB vs. Crimea that pisses me off.

    Oh, and Muslims, for one, is a group that has been posted about in much worse tones here than Jews or Israelis.

    And Koreans. A poster I recall did suggest actually nuking North Korea...
    I know your history and I've given you high props for your candor. This is the first time I've shared and I'll be dipped in shit and hung out to dry before I let anyone call for the destruction of Israel. Voting that bastard bibi out of office? Different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    I know your history and I've given you high props for your candor. This is the first time I've shared and I'll be dipped in shit and hung out to dry before I let anyone call for the destruction of Israel. Voting that bastard bibi out of office? Different story.
    I wouldn't call for destruction of any country... North Korea, maybe. Not destruction, but, implosion of the regime and the absorption of the territory and people into one united Korea with the South. God knows the average person there would be way better off. But, the Siuth will never go for it, despite all their assertions. The two Koreas are just too far apart, in terms of economic and social development. It would probably wreck South Korea's whole economy. West Germany nearly crashed theirs when reabsorbing East Germany. But the Koreas are even farther apart...

    Anyway, yeah, other than that, I would not call for destruction of any country.

    Just for all to be judged fairly.

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