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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    It isn't fair to the girls.
    You should know by now, being born with a vagina is below being a girl by choice. Any girl that dares speak up is a bigot. Besides, this is just being used to make fun of a Texas law. We know the drugs gave this person the advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    You should know by now, being born with a vagina is below being a girl by choice. Any girl that dares speak up is a bigot. Besides, this is just being used to make fun of a Texas law. We know the drugs gave this person the advantage.

    The problem with the law/policy is that it appears to allow select exceptions for participating while using PEDs.

    The trans student should be free to follow whatever direction they wish with their life. But the other competitors should not be subjected to wrestling at a severe disadvantage.

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    After reading the story, I can't fault the Mack (the wrestler). They were fine with wrestling boys, but were forced to wrestle girls even though they were on testosterone which provides a strong advantage.

    I have been to a few wrestling meets now in California (High School) and they have girls wrestling girls, but if there is not girl in the weight class and only a boy available, they let it go. I have yet to see a girl win, but my experience is only 2 matches which were lopsided. I imagine a highly skilled girl can win, but they give up a lot of strength (usually).

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    Perhaps, realizing the inequity of the competition, that transgender person could have refrained from competing. Yes, that would have been an injustice to that person, but there are bigger problems in the world and on a scale of 1 to 10, the unfairness of not competing would rank about 0.05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Perhaps, realizing the inequity of the competition, that transgender person could have refrained from competing. Yes, that would have been an injustice to that person, but there are bigger problems in the world and on a scale of 1 to 10, the unfairness of not competing would rank about 0.05.
    Why should he? The law is stupid. Let him compete with the boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    You should know by now, being born with a vagina is below being a girl by choice. Any girl that dares speak up is a bigot. Besides, this is just being used to make fun of a Texas law. We know the drugs gave this person the advantage.
    ? Texas is the one fucking the girls over, forcing a boy on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Perhaps, realizing the inequity of the competition, that transgender person could have refrained from competing. Yes, that would have been an injustice to that person, but there are bigger problems in the world and on a scale of 1 to 10, the unfairness of not competing would rank about 0.05.
    What about young trans women who are taking testosterone blockers who have to play against men? According to almost everyone who has chimed in so far, they're at a distinct disadvantage from the men competing against them. Should they just not compete, either? Do all trans people have to bow out of competing for the comfort of everyone else? Does that seem like a 0.05 unfairness rank to you?

    No wait... let me guess. It's just the way it is because they choose to transition. They could go on pretending to be something they're not so that nobody has to get upset or feel treated unfairly. Except them. That's how a lot of people see it.

    In other words, second class citizens. Our right to exist on the same playing field as everyone else is superseded by the right of cis people to feel comfortable. I get it. I've been getting it for almost six years now.
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    You who argue that this kid is somehow cheating or playing the system unfairly have zero idea what "holding back" on hormone therapy entails emotionally for a trans person, especially one as young as he is. None. You should be applauding him. You couldn't walk a day in his shoes. Not an hour. You would break. And I mean that as much as anything I've ever passionately argued for in my history on this forum.

    A transgender boy who won a girls wrestling state title in Texas says he would compete against boys if allowed and is taking lower doses of testosterone to try to be fair to his opponents.

    Mack Beggs says in an interview that aired Sunday on ESPN that he competes against girls only because the state's governing body for public high school sports requires him to wrestle under the gender listed on his birth certificate.

    The 17-year-old Beggs says he's "holding back" on testosterone treatments, saying: "I don't want to cheat. That's not something I do. I don't cheat."

    Transgender boy with girls wrestling title: 'I don't cheat' | NOLA.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    You who argue that this kid is somehow cheating or playing the system unfairly have zero idea what "holding back" on hormone therapy entails emotionally for a trans person, especially one as young as he is. None. You should be applauding him. You couldn't walk a day in his shoes. Not an hour. You would break. And I mean that as much as anything I've ever passionately argued for in my history on this forum.
    It's not as hard for everyone as it is for you. What do you have to go on that he is going through something that would 'break' anyone?

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    Maybe it's time we just integrated sports.

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