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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think in the case of celebrity, they are above a lot of crap. You figure even the most popular entertainers really only have a certain percentage of followers or fans. So I imagine if you are a fan of their work, you still follow them. If say Taylor Swift got up all of a sudden and started ranting and raving, she still would have her loyal fans. So I think once they are established they are sort of protected, as the few fans they might lose will be taken up by those that werent fans of their art but like what they are saying. So it probably balances out. In many ways this is true of Trump too. People that watched his show and liked him, still do.
    It's just seems to me once you are actually working for the "establishment" or the government it's time to drop the whole rebel persona. I remember when Tom Hayden got elected to Congress, he went out of his way to conduct himself with decorum and represent his constituent, he was married to Jane Fonda at the time and even she toned down her rhetoric. Same thing with Al Franken and even Sonny Bono.

    If people want to be taken seriously, and I include the president in this, they need to act like a grown up, regardless of what they did in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    It's just seems to me once you are actually working for the "establishment" or the government it's time to drop the whole rebel persona. I remember when Tom Hayden got elected to Congress, he went out of his way to conduct himself with decorum and represent his constituent, he was married to Jane Fonda at the time and even she toned down her rhetoric. Same thing with Al Franken and even Sonny Bono.

    If people want to be taken seriously, and I include the president in this, they need to act like a grown up, regardless of what they did in the past.
    I don't think that I'd categorize the NRA as an "establishment" institution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    It's just seems to me once you are actually working for the "establishment" or the government it's time to drop the whole rebel persona. I remember when Tom Hayden got elected to Congress, he went out of his way to conduct himself with decorum and represent his constituent, he was married to Jane Fonda at the time and even she toned down her rhetoric. Same thing with Al Franken and even Sonny Bono.

    If people want to be taken seriously, and I include the president in this, they need to act like a grown up, regardless of what they did in the past.
    I feel the same but it does seem that people want some sort of populist, rebellious leader. Even Sanders was one of sorts. Not crazy like Trump, but a different sort of character who tells Wall St. to get lost and says what he wants. I do think there is some desire to get away from the perfectly coiffed, Ivy League, wealthy politicians for a more realistic, gritty one. We have been here before with Eisenhower and Carter. People also wanted different then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I feel the same but it does seem that people want some sort of populist, rebellious leader. Even Sanders was one of sorts. Not crazy like Trump, but a different sort of character who tells Wall St. to get lost and says what he wants. I do think there is some desire to get away from the perfectly coiffed, Ivy League, wealthy politicians for a more realistic, gritty one. We have been here before with Eisenhower and Carter. People also wanted different then.

    Oh, please... Don't even attempt to equate Ike or Jimmy Carter with mouth-breathing idiots like Ted Nugent or Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Oh, please... Don't even attempt to equate Ike or Jimmy Carter with mouth-breathing idiots like Ted Nugent or Donald Trump.
    I am not comparing them but saying they were different types of candidates too. Both came from normal backgrounds which is fairly rare for presidents over the last 75 years or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I don't think that I'd categorize the NRA as an "establishment" institution.
    I keep hearing that were at one time. And that the gun safety part of their organization does all these great things.

    Just imagine if Planned Parenthood hired Lena Dunham to be on their board and she was as combative towards anyone who was pro-life as Nugent is towards gun control advocates, posing for photos holding a bloody coat hanger with a crazed look on her face and saying "suck on my fallopian tubes, Sarah Palin!"

    If Ted Nugent and Wayne LaPierre really want to advocate effectively against gun control they should stop making it a left/right issue and a culture war battle. As it is the Democrats have nothing to gain by moderating their positions when the debate has become a "you're with us or against us" ultimatum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I feel the same but it does seem that people want some sort of populist, rebellious leader. Even Sanders was one of sorts. Not crazy like Trump, but a different sort of character who tells Wall St. to get lost and says what he wants. I do think there is some desire to get away from the perfectly coiffed, Ivy League, wealthy politicians for a more realistic, gritty one. We have been here before with Eisenhower and Carter. People also wanted different then.
    Be careful what you wish for, is the lesson there. You end up with Fidel Castro or Duterte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I keep hearing that were at one time. And that the gun safety part of their organization does all these great things.

    Well, yes. I'm old enough to remember when the NRA was a genuine gun owners club. That all changed in 1977: The NRA's journey from marksmanship to political brinkmanship

    Now, the NRA is a partisan political organization. They will no longer endorse a Democrat, no matter what their position may be regarding firearm regulation.
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    I am a retired United States Marine who served in Vietnam, so Ted Nugent can go fuck himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Like Dana Loesch, [Ted Nugent] couldn't construct a logical argument if it was scripted for him.
    And it is, in fact, scripted for her.
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