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    I have never had a Christian tell me that in my life and I have been in church off and on my entire life. Many denominations and churches. No, I am pretty sure they don't "regularly" say things like that. This is absurd.
    Really? I say this because I used to DO it. I was part of a "prayer group" homeroom in high school (it's since been disbanded--this was many years ago). As you say, teenagers don't always make the best choices.

    Anyone who "shares the gospel" from an evangelical perspective is telling someone that they will go to hell if they don't accept the invitation. That's an inherent part of the message. You may not STRESS that part of the message, but it's there nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    I mean like a twelve year old being told if they didn't submit to a good old Baptist dunk in a tank baptism they would go to hell. I told them I had started my period but the assistant preacher said I was too young and totally blew it off.

    In the age of before tampons I certainly got the last laugh as they insisted I be the first to go and the five dunkees behind me..... well I never told them and neither did the preachers.

    That next Sunday I refused to attend ever again and for once my mother agreed with my choice. You see, one of my brothers was also among the dunkees that day.
    I am surprised to hear about churches like that in California, this sounds like something you would hear about in the deep South. When I was 12, I attended a large Church in Michigan and was a active member of their youth league. That church did not do child baptisms because they were not of age to know right from wrong. I was baptized as an adult, of my own free will...not forced by a church leader. This summer, I have been teaching Friends and Family CPR classes for several Churches who are hosting summer vacation bible camps and I have not seen anything like what is being described in this thread at all. It has actually been quite fun teaching the kids CPR...I even use music!! Next year, since the current schedule is full of activities, I am talking about a couple of Yoga classes to promote exercise in our youth. The Pastor is fully on board with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I am surprised to hear about churches like that in California
    California is a really big state with large rural areas and vast differences in educational levels. The Bay Area is among the most educated parts of the nation. The Central Valley has college-degree rates similar to West Virginia or Mississippi.
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    I will say that it is very easy for any religious group, and especially a religious AUTHORITY, to turn into a bully, when it is allowed to spread it's power over a society. Including a Christian one.

    Take the Russian Orthodox Church.

    They don't simply proselytize at schools now, they have whole special classes and organizations for kids, to indoctrinate them in their ideology, much like the Commie Party had in Soviet Union!

    In some cases, they are even teaching kids to fucking hate their own parents for being atheists. In state-funded schools, at taxpayer expense...

    US is not quite on that level yet. Thank God for that, no pun intended lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 stringer View Post
    The Catholic neighbor told me to pray the rosary or I was going to hell. I laughed. You should too.
    Its about 65 years too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Do you know that person she is talking about? No one tactic works in every situation.
    I was a small child, and she was the mother that ran the neighborhood.
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    Bullying is bullying.

    If a missionary is bullying he’s bullying. If he isn’t, he isn’t.


    The act of bullying defines bullying. Not the intent or beliefs of the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I was a small child, and she was the mother that ran the neighborhood.
    I'll have to tell you about the time my best friend and I were invited to a church camp by one uber Christian aunt. Well my friend came down with the flu just before we were to leave and I didn't want to go there by myself so I declined too. You should have heard all the "this is the work of the devil" hurled my way.

    Well back at the church camp one of my goofier cousins tried to rob a gas station and ran away. And ended up in jail the next day. My friend had a crush on him so you just know we would have been involved too. I always believed it was more likely the work of a guardian angel that my friend got the flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I am surprised to hear about churches like that in California, this sounds like something you would hear about in the deep South. When I was 12, I attended a large Church in Michigan and was a active member of their youth league. That church did not do child baptisms because they were not of age to know right from wrong. I was baptized as an adult, of my own free will...not forced by a church leader. This summer, I have been teaching Friends and Family CPR classes for several Churches who are hosting summer vacation bible camps and I have not seen anything like what is being described in this thread at all. It has actually been quite fun teaching the kids CPR...I even use music!! Next year, since the current schedule is full of activities, I am talking about a couple of Yoga classes to promote exercise in our youth. The Pastor is fully on board with this.
    It would seem baptism and CPR would be a good match if someone was held under water for too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Really? I say this because I used to DO it. I was part of a "prayer group" homeroom in high school (it's since been disbanded--this was many years ago). As you say, teenagers don't always make the best choices.

    Anyone who "shares the gospel" from an evangelical perspective is telling someone that they will go to hell if they don't accept the invitation. That's an inherent part of the message. You may not STRESS that part of the message, but it's there nonetheless.
    I think we are about the same age and this never happened when I attended HS in Michigan. I don't ever remember a prayer group going on in school. The Detroit area has always been diverse as far as religions. I could never tell a person they are doomed for life if they do not believe as I do...in anything. My parents were not like that either. The only proselytizing I have experienced personally is invitations to attend church with my friends or new acquaintances. If I decline the invitation it stops there. I would be very offended if someone judged my life based on their beliefs. Religion has always been personal to me...it is not lock and step like some organized religions.

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