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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Excellent point. Sometimes many of us are guilty of defining an entire state or region by what a large segment or even the majority of the people there believe.
    Both Kevin McCarthy and Dennis Nunes are from Central California.

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    Both Kevin McCarthy and Dennis Nunes are from Central California.
    By state, Washington is thought of as a reliable liberal vote for national races. When you look at it by county though you see there are vast areas of conservative strongholds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    By state, Washington is thought of as a reliable liberal vote for national races. When you look at it by county though you see there are vast areas of conservative strongholds.

    Although I do genuinely wonder aloud how red 'red WA' is versus say.....'red AL'...for instance in TN I'm a rural democrat....

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    Although I do genuinely wonder aloud how red 'red WA' is versus say.....'red AL'...for instance in TN I'm a rural democrat....
    My mother went through such a geographic transformation. In the 70s and 80s, she was a NJ Republican. In the late 90s, after the move, she became a FL Democrat.

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    My mother went through such a geographic transformation. In the 70s and 80s, she was a NJ Republican. In the late 90s, after the move, she became a FL Democrat.
    It was the humidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    I would call it fear mongering more than bullying and it exploits a fear of the unknown and any spiritual feel anyone might have about the unknown and a belief in god(s) as an easy answer and explanation for things that can't be explained or the contemplation of thoughts like infinity and what existed before existence......All that can lead one to existentialist stuff. Instead of torturing one's brain over what such things, it is easier to come up with, as they did when far fewer human discoveries of nature's or some god(s)'s divine engineering. Some of the dogma and some of the long held human "beliefs" become harder to sustain as discoveries and modern technology present plausible and more tangible answers, even if that are more complex that claiming someone's god(s) were either angry or pleased.

    Imagine living in the times of Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, Columbus and others before and after them with regard to how their science clashed with religious beliefs in their eras, many of them monarchies that included heavy political influence by various churches. Empires with shared power and many times struggles between the religious and the hereditary powers. The Founders of this nation were closer to those eras, studied them and saw some of it in their own times and wished to place the power in the hands of all people, regardless of their characteristics. There were also discoveries going on and many that had not yet occurred in those days too, as well as social progresses which were still in transition and seem quite archaic by today's standards even recognizing how far we still have to go.

    Many organized religions are losing some existing members and not finding many new ones. because they have tried to defy the interests of the Founders of this nation regarding the respecting of an establishment of religion. They wanted to remain neutral, perhaps more so regarding the bloody wars in Europe over which form of organized Christianity was going to dominate in any one monarchical empire and influence politics and law, not unlike theocracies. I don't believed they worried a great deal about clashes among different main branches of religion, but that was still a factor. A government of the people has to include all the people, not just those who are Protestant, Catholic (or any divisions thereof) Christian, but people of any faith or lack thereof. To me, this seems closer to the teachings of Christ than the dogma that some humans appear to have inserted into Christ's teachings. In any case, between inquisitions and intrafaith battles for dominance, the main theme of Christ's teachings seem to have gotten lost in the shuffle and even with scare tactics/fear mongering, many began to see more to fear from the hypocrisies of human run organized religion than from the wrath of God for not wanting to sign up for any sort of human organized attempt to speak for their god(s), many times in ways that defy their very own scripture and work to manipulate masses of people exploiting their faith in god(s) for political purposes.

    One should be able to see why the founders of this nation wanted a means to stay neutral and not allow their proposed government of the people, to become involved in religious disputes or have the government be involved with being aligned with any specific denomination of any one religion, much less any religion, because that would in of itself, specify a bias which could work against all others and could be said to be backed by a divine provenance, NOT unlike, so many centuries of conflict in Europe and England, leading some to come here solely in search of religious freedom. Some of them ironically, brought their own human based religious bigotry with them, claiming it was the same that brought them here, from where they came from. The persecuted, becoming the persecutors.

    As mentioned earlier, most of the Christians I know, must have different bibles because they do not proselytize beyond letting the way they live speak for part of it that might be due to their religious beliefs. If they believe abortion is wrong, they don't have an abortion. If they believe homosexuality is wrong, they don't engage in homosexual relations. They are not running around trying to force their religion on others by cajoling or fear mongering. They have opinions for sure, but they don't try act as judge in place of God. They have faith that their God will judge taking their scripture into account.

    With regard to science and religion, I think many of them like the same line of thinking in the philosophy that Einstein had when it came to belief in a higher entity and why he may have felt it was difficult not to, in some small way, all based on his thought that the more one discovers about the universe and how things work, the more one realizes how one has only touched a minute portion of the surface of all there is to discover.

    "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."
    Albert Einstein and Religion

    MOTHER TERESA'S DOUBTS REVEAL A DEEP FAITH
    Mother Teresa's Doubts Reveal a Deep Faith


    I'm not sure why so many things are broken down in an either/or fashion that really do not have to be, other than some sort of safety in numbers......and a form of herd mentality or people that seek a means to control the masses with fear and oppression.

    I know faith in a powerful being and fear of making that being angry and fear of what comes after death, following the description and portrayal of "either/or" (which a sub option on the terrible side to something maybe a little less terrible), making someone believe something terrible is going to happen to them if they don't fly by the rules someone who claims to have a hotline to God says they need to fly by, is a POWERFUL thing and a perfect place for some who crave power over others and in some ways may even have a sick sadistic side in making someone tremble with fear and how they can manipulate people with fear of God.

    The Christians I mostly know and run into, don't like the idea of people coming to any faith in God based on fearing what will happen to them if they do not believe in God. They prefer people come to their faith because others genuinely see something good in it and want to follow it.

    In a way fear mongering could be called bullying as it's more about pushing people to a "faith" with fear, instead of getting them to follow, because they like what they see.

    If that makes any sense.
    Re bolded, exactly.

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