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    What Does Road to Change Group Want to Change ?

    Some survivors of the Parkland massacre are engaged in a tour around the country, informing, registering and mobilizing people to vote, in hopes they will push to for stronger gun safety legislation. The organization aims to pass a law banning assault weapons used in mass shootings, to stop the sale of high-capacity magazines, and restrict the amount of ammunition, according to CNN.

    It might be noted that the gun used in the Parkland massacre was an AR-15, not an assault weapon, but merely an ordinary semi-automatic rifle, that fires only with each pull of the trigger. Another massacre like Parkland could easily happen if the bans and restrictions cited in the CNN report were enacted. It could happen just with an ordinary semiautomatic pistol, with quick changes of low-capacity clips (ammunition).

    IMO, this group is to be admired for their activism and energy, but they could be more effective in preventing school shootings, or mass shootings anywhere, if they were also pushing for abolishing gun-free zones, and for establishing nationwide carry concealed weapon law.

    These might go further to stop mass shooters, who see buildings designated as gun free zones as open targets, and sitting ducks, for them and their treacherous actions. This tour would be a perfect opportunity to post up a red light to the killers, instead of the green light they now get from the gun-free zones.

    https://www.kvia.com/news/politics/m...sday/766196088
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Some survivors of the Parkland massacre are engaged in a tour around the country, informing, registering and mobilizing people to vote, in hopes they will push to for stronger gun safety legislation. The organization aims to pass a law banning assault weapons used in mass shootings, to stop the sale of high-capacity magazines, and restrict the amount of ammunition, according to CNN.

    It might be noted that the gun used in the Parkland massacre was an AR-15, not an assault weapon, but merely an ordinary semi-automatic rifle, that fires only with each pull of the trigger. Another massacre like Parkland could easily happen if the bans and restrictions cited in the CNN report were enacted. It could happen just with an ordinary semiautomatic pistol, with quick changes of low-capacity clips (ammunition).

    IMO, this group is to be admired for their activism and energy, but they could be more effective in preventing school shootings, or mass shootings anywhere, if they were also pushing for abolishing gun-free zones, and for establishing nationwide carry concealed weapon law.

    These might go further to stop mass shooters, who see buildings designated as gun free zones as open targets, and sitting ducks, for them and their treacherous actions. This tour would be a perfect opportunity to post up a red light to the killers, instead of the green light they now get from the gun-free zones.

    https://www.kvia.com/news/politics/m...sday/766196088
    You are incorrect.

    The AR-15 was classified as an assault weapon by the US government when they banned the manufacture of certain types of assault weapons in the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-...ouse-bill/4296

    You are confusing semi-automatic and fully automatic with assault weapon.

    Maybe the kids want a return to that ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Some survivors of the Parkland massacre are engaged in a tour around the country, informing, registering and mobilizing people to vote, in hopes they will push to for stronger gun safety legislation. The organization aims to pass a law banning assault weapons used in mass shootings, to stop the sale of high-capacity magazines, and restrict the amount of ammunition, according to CNN.

    It might be noted that the gun used in the Parkland massacre was an AR-15, not an assault weapon, but merely an ordinary semi-automatic rifle, that fires only with each pull of the trigger. Another massacre like Parkland could easily happen if the bans and restrictions cited in the CNN report were enacted. It could happen just with an ordinary semiautomatic pistol, with quick changes of low-capacity clips (ammunition).

    IMO, this group is to be admired for their activism and energy, but they could be more effective in preventing school shootings, or mass shootings anywhere, if they were also pushing for abolishing gun-free zones, and for establishing nationwide carry concealed weapon law.

    These might go further to stop mass shooters, who see buildings designated as gun free zones as open targets, and sitting ducks, for them and their treacherous actions. This tour would be a perfect opportunity to post up a red light to the killers, instead of the green light they now get from the gun-free zones.

    https://www.kvia.com/news/politics/m...sday/766196088
    I am not for banning assault weapons but as soon as I hit the bolded above you completely lost any semblance of intelligence in your thread. Ridiculously stupid reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You are incorrect.

    The AR-15 was classified as an assault weapon by the US government when they banned the manufacture of certain types of assault weapons in the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-...ouse-bill/4296

    You are confusing semi-automatic and fully automatic with assault weapon.

    Maybe the kids want a return to that ban.
    It really doesn't make any difference what you want to call them. Those calling for bans on guns like the AR-15 are calling them "assault weapons", arguing we should not have such a ban simply because you don't think they classify as such is incredibly juvenile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    I am not for banning assault weapons but as soon as I hit the bolded above you completely lost any semblance of intelligence in your thread. Ridiculously stupid reasoning.
    Reasoning ? More a matter of definition. While the term "assault weapon' is without a strict-tight definition, and is still open to interpretation generally, the best definition of an assault rifle agreed to by intellects regarding guns is one capable of "selective fire". The term selective fire refers to the capability to choose between single shot, bursts (usually 3-5 shots in rapid succession), or fully automatic ("machine gun type) fire.

    As I said the AR-15 is only a semi-automatic, capable of firing only with each pull of the trigger. Confusing all this is the defining of guns that LOOK LIKE fully automatic weapons but are not, such as this definition which frankly contradicts itself >>

    Definition of assault rifle (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...ssault%20rifle)
    : any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire; also : a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire

    The confusion abounds as definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/u...pagewanted=all
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You are incorrect.

    The AR-15 was classified as an assault weapon by the US government when they banned the manufacture of certain types of assault weapons in the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-...ouse-bill/4296

    You are confusing semi-automatic and fully automatic with assault weapon.

    Maybe the kids want a return to that ban.
    I know exactly the difference between semi-automatic and fully automatic, and I posted it in Post # 5 for your convenience. Also, the classification of the of the AR-15 and/or what constitutes the term "assault weapon" by the US govt is only one among many. Lastly even that classification is moot since the 1994 Act is no longer law.

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    To answer the question in the title of the thread this is what the group wants to change, "pass a law banning assault weapons used in mass shootings, to stop the sale of high-capacity magazines, and restrict the amount of ammunition".
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    I think that the US will eventually extend the automatic firearm ban to include all semi-automatic firearms, but I doubt that it will happen within my lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I think that the US will eventually extend the automatic firearm ban to include all semi-automatic firearms, but I doubt that it will happen within my lifetime.
    If you were alive in 1994 to 2004 it did happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    I know exactly the difference between semi-automatic and fully automatic, and I posted it in Post # 5 for your convenience. Also, the classification of the of the AR-15 and/or what constitutes the term "assault weapon" by the US govt is only one among many. Lastly even that classification is moot since the 1994 Act is no longer law.
    The definition of an assault weapon by the US Government is all that matter. Why would I care what your Church or the high school football coach calls an assault weapon.

    Just because the law was allowed to lapse does not mean the meanings are no longer valid.
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