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    What was the purpose of Operation Fast & Furious?

    Rush Limbaugh presented an angle no one here has mentioned yet. I'd like to know what all of you think was the realistic goal of the operation. If it was to stem the "southbound flow" of weapons to Mexico, how could the agencies let it go uncontrolled?

    Limbaugh thinks it sounds like the President wanted to actually increase the mayhem to a point where the majority of Americans would be screaming for a new weapons ban to be signed in;
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    We had the story yesterday of another meeting between Calderon and Obama later, after he had been immaculated. On April 16th of 2009, they were going to move further on this. The Sarah Brady business with Obama and Obama saying he's working "under the radar," that's a Washington Post Style Section story on April 11th, 2011. Sarah Brady told the Post (the Washington Post) Obama told her, quote, "I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar." That was April 11, 2011, in the Washington Post Style Section. That's Sarah Brady who became a big gun control advocate after her husband was shot. She was working to get guns out of people's hands, and Obama said (whispering), "I'm working on it. I'm working under the radar." And Fast and Furious is what was "under the radar."
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    Rather than “stem the flow of arms from the United States to Mexico,” as Obama pledged to Calderon he would seek to do, the administration, under Operation Fast and Furious, actually allowed guns to be purchased within the United States by known straw buyers for Mexican drug cartels.
    So Limbaugh thinks the Administration was deceptively trying to build a mechanism to raise support for a new weapons ban in the US. But what do you think? Was the ATF just incompetent at performing their tasks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    Rush Limbaugh presented an angle no one here has mentioned yet. I'd like to know what all of you think was the realistic goal of the operation. If it was to stem the "southbound flow" of weapons to Mexico, how could the agencies let it go uncontrolled?

    Limbaugh thinks it sounds like the President wanted to actually increase the mayhem to a point where the majority of Americans would be screaming for a new weapons ban to be signed in;
    Regime Tipped "Under the Radar" Gun Control Strategy Before Immaculation - The Rush Limbaugh Show

    Obama Made Pre-Inaugural

    So Limbaugh thinks the Administration was deceptively trying to build a mechanism to raise support for a new weapons ban in the US. But what do you think? Was the ATF just incompetent at performing their tasks?
    1. Limbaugh is an idiot muckraker and I wouldn't believe anything he says
    2. I am sure Obama was unaware of the details of Fast and Furious
    3. The guns are irrelevant, it was the people they were after, the guns were just a way to the people
    4. Yes the mid-level government bureaucrats in the ATF and everywhere else are mostly incompetent
    5. I'd like to know what happened to the money they got from the guns

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    The biggest problem with Rush's thought is..

    Obama has signed every piece of Gun legislation that has come across his desk, all of which was either Sponsored by or endorsed by the NRA.

    Meaning??? Obama is far from being a Gun grabber who wants to disarm America. Typical Scare tactic.

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    Fast and Furious was a 2009 off-shoot, of the ATF's Project Gunrunner, which started in 2005, under Ashcroft:

    Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hey! Ashcroft. I guess somebody thinks Holder will get in real trouble, but Issa and the pubs will just masturbate all over him. And Limbo's point about Obama is supposed to be what, he doesn't bust pub sociopaths fast enough, and he killed more people with drones and busted more pot clubs, with Holder, than GW Bush did in eight years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post

    So Limbaugh thinks the Administration was deceptively trying to build a mechanism to raise support for a new weapons ban in the US. But what do you think? Was the ATF just incompetent at performing their tasks?
    Gee....the government under RATs trying to manipulate public opinion in a process guaranteed to get people killed? Would they be socialists if they didn't try to do that? ...and the organization that ran the successful Kapture Koresh Operation in 1993....no, they're not incompetent.

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    The purpose was to arm the governments cartels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    1. Limbaugh is an idiot muckraker and I wouldn't believe anything he says
    2. I am sure Obama was unaware of the details of Fast and Furious
    3. The guns are irrelevant, it was the people they were after, the guns were just a way to the people
    4. Yes the mid-level government bureaucrats in the ATF and everywhere else are mostly incompetent
    5. I'd like to know what happened to the money they got from the guns
    He correctly labeled Fluke a slut.

    Hey, how about if he surrenders those papers he just claimed were privileged so the nation can see just how much he knew. No point in you guessing, you like to defend fascists like Obama, but fascists have a history of killing people who get in their way.

    The guns are not irrelevant. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and FIREARMS violated a number of federal laws pertaining to FIREARMS. The guns are central.

    If you wish to call Obama's Dick Holder a mid-level employee, have at it. However, what he really is is the top law enforcement officer of the country.

    The money...now that's irrelevant, unless it can be shown to flow into Obama's campaign fund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobgnote View Post
    Fast and Furious was a 2009 off-shoot, of the ATF's Project Gunrunner, which started in 2005, under Ashcroft:

    Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Agreed, but the AG office screwed up by allowing "live" weapons to actually go into possession of the Cartels. Jesus, couldn't they have done something like weaken the barrels, receivers or something?

    It was a screwup of the first order, but done with good intentions. IMO, Holder should suck it up and resign. It happened on his watch and he's responsible. President Bush let his administration come to a standstill over the AG Gonzales controversy. President Obama, shouldn't let the same thing happen to his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    Agreed, but the AG office screwed up by allowing "live" weapons to actually go into possession of the Cartels. Jesus, couldn't they have done something like weaken the barrels, receivers or something?

    It was a screwup of the first order, but done with good intentions. IMO, Holder should suck it up and resign. It happened on his watch and he's responsible. President Bush let his administration come to a standstill over the AG Gonzales controversy. President Obama, shouldn't let the same thing happen to his.
    They didn't screw up, they sold their cartels weapons. Actually cartel, the Sinaloa's.

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    Rove, Cheney, GW, Rumsfeld, the list goes on . . .

    There's a ton of pubs, who should have been busted, especially by the time they used a lying witness, to go to Congress and before the public, to get approval, to chase Saddam.

    But Democrats eat pub-poo, no doubt. They try to out-do pubs, at dirt, and look what that got them, this time. When Democrats smarten up, let me know. I haven't voted for one, since Carter.

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