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    Syria: evidence

    Okay, here is a repository for anything you consider to be "evidence" about Syria.

    I'll start: the Mossad intercept. Here is some information about it: Commit a War Crime to Cover Up a War Crime? Phoney Syria Poison Gas Story Planted By Mossad in the Western Media | Global Research

    This story claims there were a grand total of four missiles, two at a time. It claims they were launched from a Syrian Special Forces bases under control of the rebels.

    For several days, in fact until today, 28 August, there was no evidence offered in the mainstream media that confirmed the allegations made by the US, the UK and France. Then a story released by the Israeli Mossad intelligence service to the German magazine Focus on the 24 August got picked up by the mainstream media. Today the 28th a report in the London Guardian newspaper tells us that the ‘evidence’ was from an Israeli source, specifically the 8200 intelligence unit of the Israeli Defence Forces,
    Got it. 4th Armored 155th Brigade of the Syrian Army, 8200 IDF intel unit.

    The report did not state the source of its information. But subsequently, Germany’s Focus magazine reported that an IDF intelligence unit was listening in on senior Syrian officials when they discussed the chemical attack. According to the Focus report Saturday, a squad specializing in wire-tapping within the IDF’s prestigious 8200 intelligence unit intercepted a conversation between high-ranking regime officials regarding the use of chemical agents at the time of the attack. The report, which cited an ex-Mossad official who insisted on remaining anonymous, said the intercepted conversation proved that Assad’s regime was responsible for the use of nonconventional weapons.
    https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland...d_1080416.html

    It [Ynet on the 27 August] says that three senior Israeli military-intelligence officers are currently in Washington briefing their U.S. counterparts on the Unit 8200 intercepts. The paper also claims that the primary evidence the west is using on which to base its charges of Syria government responsibility is the IDF secret intercepts.
    German Report That Israel?s NSA Affirms Syria Government Responsibility for Chemical Attacks Tikun-Olam Tikun Olam-????? ????

    Hm. Here's what StratFor said about all this:

    Stratfor’s job is to analyze the world as objectively as possible, and the situation in Syria is among the most difficult we have seen. The problem is we really don’t know what happened. The general consensus is Syrian President Bashar Assad ordered the use of chemical weapons against his enemies. The problem is trying to figure out why he would do it. He was not losing the civil war. In fact, he had achieved some limited military success recently. He knew that U.S. President Obama had said the use of chemical weapons would cross a red line. Yet Assad did it.

    Or did he? Could the rebels have staged the attack in order to draw in an attack on al-Assad? Could the pictures have been faked? Could a third party, hoping to bog the United States down in another war, have done it? The answers to these questions are important, because they guide the U.S. and its allies’ response. The official explanation could be absolutely true or not. – Stratfor Email 28 August 2013

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    the Dale Gavlak report

    Here's the Dale Gavlak report: EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

    Here's background on Dale Gavlak and some of his other publications: DALE GAVLAK

    And here, is some very important information in relation to the report: Syrians in Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack by Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh -- Antiwar.com

    Dale Gavlak assisted in the research and writing process of this article, but was not on the ground in Syria. Reporter Yahya Ababneh, whom the report was written in collaboration with, was the correspondent on the ground in Ghouta who spoke directly with the rebels, their family members, victims of the chemical weapons attacks and local residents.
    Oh yeah? Yahya Ababneh? Let's check it out. Here we are, this is the guy: Yahya Ababneh - Jordan | LinkedIn

    He's a student. A wanna-be journalist. Hm. How did he happen to be on the ground in Iraq?

    Here's another article from the same pair of collaborators, written after the chemical report. Religious Liberty Monitoring: SYRIA: journalists in Middle East say Saudis supplied rebels with chemical weapons

    Hm. :eyebrow:

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    The video of rebels loading alleged chemical weapons onto mortars and firing them:

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    In this context: additional allegations from Jerome Corsi: Evidence: Syria gas attack work of U.S. allies

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    We know that chemical weapons were used but we also know that both sides have a motive for using them.
    Rather than getting bogged down in "who did it" scenarios, I choose to just stay out of a Syrian civil war unless in support of a UN resolution.

    No UN resolution?....No support from us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We know that chemical weapons were used but we also know that both sides have a motive for using them.
    Rather than getting bogged down in "who did it" scenarios, I choose to just stay out of a Syrian civil war unless in support of a UN resolution.

    No UN resolution?....No support from us.
    Both sides have a motive, but we only know of one side having chemical weapons.

    You do realize though, by requiring a UN resolution for us to act, you are giving CHina and Russia a veto over when we would use military force. Good idea in theory, but in practice it leads to a bunch of communists deciding when we use force and when we don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We know that chemical weapons were used but we also know that both sides have a motive for using them.
    Rather than getting bogged down in "who did it" scenarios, I choose to just stay out of a Syrian civil war unless in support of a UN resolution.

    No UN resolution?....No support from us.
    Well... the most important thing that's leaping out at me from this research is:

    We can not tell who the good guys are anymore. We can not "separate" the good guys from the bad guys.

    Let me back up here a minute - IMO, the "good guys" are the genuine Syrian revolutionaries. The Syrian People themselves.

    There are many "bad guys". IMO, Al Qaeda is the worst of the bad guys. Does everyone agree with that? Or, does anyone have a reason why we should consider any al-Qaeda as being "good" or "helpful" in any way?

    And, Assad is a bad guy too. He gasses his own people. Little kids. He tortures little kids for writing anti-government graffiti on apartment walls. That's the kind of guy he is. A control freak. Y'know.

    It occurs to me that Mr. Obama is really really between a rock and a hard place. Because to correct any of this situation, we would have to put US "boots on the ground". How else are we going to separate the good guys from the bad guys? The only other solution that makes sense seems to be "hands off, and let they themselves figure it out" - which means, we have to sit by and watch a lot more innocents being slaughtered.

    And I will note, that much of this is Mr. Assad's own fault. He left his border with Iraq open during the war, so foreign mercenaries could travel freely back and forth. Now many of those very same foreign mercenaries have taken up residence in his own country. Who'd-a-thunk, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokio View Post
    Both sides have a motive, but we only know of one side having chemical weapons.
    That is not true. We know for a fact that the rebels have accessed and deployed chemical weapons. The UN has corroborated this, as well as an independent team of Russian investigators, as well as some Scandinavians.

    You do realize though, by requiring a UN resolution for us to act, you are giving CHina and Russia a veto over when we would use military force. Good idea in theory, but in practice it leads to a bunch of communists deciding when we use force and when we don't.
    The key point is: consensus.

    Our evidence right now is flimsy. Very shaky.

    I'm not buying any of it, and neither are the Brits, and neither are the Germans, and neither is NATO.

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    Obama is alone in his quest to bring the MB into power. Even the Egyptians are claiming he is a member of MB because of his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    That is not true. We know for a fact that the rebels have accessed and deployed chemical weapons. The UN has corroborated this, as well as an independent team of Russian investigators, as well as some Scandinavians.



    The key point is: consensus.

    Our evidence right now is flimsy. Very shaky.

    I'm not buying any of it, and neither are the Brits, and neither are the Germans, and neither is NATO.
    Not sure how accurate this is

    Former Jabhat al-Nusrah Member admits Chemical Weapons Use | nsnbc international

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    Hm. Here's another good one: Malaysia charges former army captain and woman for terrorism and for recruiting mercenaries for Syria - nsnbc international | nsnbc international

    Your link seems to indicate that the fighters either made the Sarin themselves, or purchased it from a Saudi contact.

    And my link suggests an international recruiting operation for "foreign fighters" in Syria.

    This is looking more and more like a proxy war, isn't it?
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