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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    The internet has millions of excerpts I'm still yet to read. I'll put this on my list. As for you, you haven't responded to one point I've made and you're barking orders at me to go read this, go read that. That's not how you debate. Spend ten minutes reading 'how to debate' instructions.
    Nonsense. You are just running away from the points I have already made. Your assertion is that Hitler is an extreme left wing Socialist. Kershaw's finding is that Hitler was a cult of personality and Hitler gave lip service to any political view that would provide him with a venue and the chance to get people to believe in him. Social benefits and socialistic control by the state was only a set up to leverage extreme nationalism and Hitler's doctrine of Darwinist struggle. He wanted his struggle (mein kampf which translates to My Fight) to be the nation's struggle and for it to be based on the the leader principle. It was all about him.

    From 10,000 feet, if you squint and use your imagination, it's easy to see him as left wing or right wing. But neither gets at the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Your assertion is that Hitler is an extreme left wing Socialist.
    My assertion is also that the Roman Empire fell and that the Earth orbits the sun.

    Kershaw's finding is that Hitler was a cult of personality and Hitler gave lip service to any political view that would provide him with a venue and the chance to get people to believe in him.
    If Kershaw is correct it matters not since Hitler was still an extreme left wing Socialist. Führers are allowed to do that, you know.

    Social benefits and socialistic control by the state was only a set up
    The National Socialists DID control the State so that was no set up. It is history. Social benefits don’t come into it. How many social benefits did Stalin provide? How many does Kim provide? Dried twigs for lunch, after you clean the lavatories with your tongue? Kim is a Socialist remember, as was Stalin. As was Hitler.

    From 10,000 feet, if you squint and use your imagination, it's easy to see him as left wing or right wing. But neither gets at the truth.
    For the truth you need to follow history, and not Left winged propaganda. You’ve been conditioned all your life with the myth that Adolf was right winged, like most of the world, and you won’t change your thinking. Younger people will, and as time goes by History will catalogue Hitler in his rightful place as a ranting, left winged socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    If Kershaw is correct it matters not since Hitler was still an extreme left wing Socialist. Führers are allowed to do that, you know.
    Idiotic reasoning. You have separated your label from what the person you are labeling actually believed and acting as though the label itself has some inherent truth. This is about as semantically ignorant as it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Not at all. He was a very left winged socialist, who started the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party).
    Rather than deal with the full Gish Gallop, I'll stop you there and suggest you do some reading. If you think Hitler started the party, you clearly haven't even begun studying the history. The party existed before him. As I said, early on, it had a socialist tilt. Hitler pushed it away from that, and then ultimately masterminded the slaughter of the Strasserist faction that made up the party's left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Rather than deal with the full Gish Gallop, I'll stop you there and suggest you do some reading. If you think Hitler started the party, you clearly haven't even begun studying the history. The party existed before him. As I said, early on, it had a socialist tilt. Hitler pushed it away from that, and then ultimately masterminded the slaughter of the Strasserist faction that made up the party's left.
    Yes, Hitler was member #555 though he was actually only number 55. They added the 5 to make the party look bigger than it was.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of...-party-1779888

    Hitler accepted, resigned from his position with the Reichswehr and became member #555 of the German Worker’s Party. (In reality, Hitler was the 55th member, Drexler added the 5 prefix to the early membership cards to make the party appear larger than it was in those years.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
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    Adolf Hitler led the ‘Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei’ (National Socialist German Workers’ Party), commonly known as “The NAZI Party”.

    The NAZI Party advocated the common themes of most Socialist Parties; a managed economy with an extensive welfare state, anti-capitalism with profit-sharing between government and industry; nationalisation of financial institutions; central government control of education, press, and culture; government control of elections and the media; incitement of class and religious conflict; anti-Christianity and anti-Semitic policies, personalization of leadership and a fetish with the colour red.

    Hitler embarrassed champagne socialists in the West when it became known that he had gassed millions of Jews, so they began a campaign of disinformation that continues to this day - spreading the ridiculous myth that he was 'right winged'.

    Conservatives do not murder masses of innocent people. That is the habit of socialists like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Fidel and Kim Jong-un. When socialists get ultimate power they love to murder millions of their perceived enemies. It's what they do.

    For decades the liberal media were able to keep the myth that Hitler was 'right winged' alive, but since the internet came along, giving all people a voice, and not just liberal journalists, the truth has been growing. Google 'Hitler was a socialist' to see 7.5 million results.

    People are waking up to this myth, so my advice to the Left is to stop peddling it.
    Now this is funny, a close comparison by action is this , The nazis during a massive recession, gave people a reason to justify their perceived failure, during these hard times, by laying the blame at the feet of Unions, Jews and Gypsies . 50 years later , The Republicans during a massive recession, gave people a reason to justify their perceived failure during these hard time by laying the blame on the feet of unions ,Mexicans and Muslims. There couldn't be more of a direct comparison then actions.
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    By the way Hitler was so aligned with socialist that he wanted them all dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    By the way Hitler was so aligned with socialist that he wanted them all dead.
    He wanted everyone dead. After claiming that he just loved the Volk, he blamed them for failing him when old men and children couldn't stop the Russians and Americans from taking Berlin.

    Categorizing someone so delusional and narcissistic with any normal labels is a fool's errand because those labels meant exactly nothing to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    He wanted everyone dead. After claiming that he just loved the Volk, he blamed them for failing him when old men and children couldn't stop the Russians and Americans from taking Berlin.

    Categorizing someone so delusional and narcissistic with any normal labels is a fool's errand because those labels meant exactly nothing to him.
    He wanted everyone dead, won't pass muster quaint snappy answer but of course it's bullshit. So you support the hate party platform. Ya you support the transfer of wealth to the top . Giving billions to the wealthy and corporations, money that will be taken from the the poor , the needy, the sick, the old , veterans and anyone who is weak enough to not be able to fight back. This can't be denied. It's in the last half dozen budget proposals from this hate group of yours, some of which had been signed onto by every hate party politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    He wanted everyone dead, won't pass muster quaint snappy answer but of course it's bullshit. So you support the hate party platform. Ya you support the transfer of wealth to the top . Giving billions to the wealthy and corporations, money that will be taken from the the poor , the needy, the sick, the old , veterans and anyone who is weak enough to not be able to fight back. This can't be denied. It's in the last half dozen budget proposals from this hate group of yours, some of which had been signed onto by every hate party politician.
    I can understand how living in binary land can produce this kind of regurgitation, but you must realize what a river of nonsense it is.

    How do you get from Hitler to budget proposals?

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