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    Time to end the lottery?



    Should the government be running lotteries? My answer is no. Before I get too deep into the, metaphorical, weeds I should state that I am not some sanctimonious prig interested in telling people how to live their lives.
    I play the lottery, on occasion, as a form of entertainment. In the amounts I play, (never more than two or three dollars a week) it's probably pretty harmless. I get a couple of minutes of "mental what if" in exchange for the price of two beers
    or a drink of whiskey. I have never missed a meal, or had any other problem, because I have spent that two or three dollars in a week.

    Of course I also know that my odds don't improve by spending more money. The odds alone should cause one to pause before spending much money on the lottery. Just think about it: 176 million to one against your winning the big prize. Those odds
    would make a casino, run by organized crime, seem like a good deal.

    And that brings me to my point: wouldn't the billions spent on the lottery have been better spent buying real things and creating real jobs rather than funding a state run way to transfer more wealth to the already wealthy? Shouldn't the states at least have the honesty to call
    the lottery what it is: A tax on the poor, the desperate, and the mathematically challenged?

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    OK, but can you wait until my number is picked



    j/k. I only play a few times a year, but you're right, it's not that great of an idea. Run state casinos, instead. Better odds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post


    Should the government be running lotteries? My answer is no. Before I get too deep into the, metaphorical, weeds I should state that I am not some sanctimonious prig interested in telling people how to live their lives.
    I play the lottery, on occasion, as a form of entertainment. In the amounts I play, (never more than two or three dollars a week) it's probably pretty harmless. I get a couple of minutes of "mental what if" in exchange for the price of two beers
    or a drink of whiskey. I have never missed a meal, or had any other problem, because I have spent that two or three dollars in a week.

    Of course I also know that my odds don't improve by spending more money. The odds alone should cause one to pause before spending much money on the lottery. Just think about it: 176 million to one against your winning the big prize. Those odds
    would make a casino, run by organized crime, seem like a good deal.

    And that brings me to my point: wouldn't the billions spent on the lottery have been better spent buying real things and creating real jobs rather than funding a state run way to transfer more wealth to the already wealthy? Shouldn't the states at least have the honesty to call
    the lottery what it is: A tax on the poor, the desperate, and the mathematically challenged?
    Am not a fan or supporter of the state run lotteries. Just another clever way for politicians to milk cash from the masses.

    But am missing your premise of "transferring wealth to the wealthy". Where did that come from...??

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    people blow money on what ever.

    in tennessee, the lottery funds the Hope Scholarship.

    Tennessee Student Assistance Corporation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post


    Should the government be running lotteries? My answer is no. Before I get too deep into the, metaphorical, weeds I should state that I am not some sanctimonious prig interested in telling people how to live their lives.
    I play the lottery, on occasion, as a form of entertainment. In the amounts I play, (never more than two or three dollars a week) it's probably pretty harmless. I get a couple of minutes of "mental what if" in exchange for the price of two beers
    or a drink of whiskey. I have never missed a meal, or had any other problem, because I have spent that two or three dollars in a week.

    Of course I also know that my odds don't improve by spending more money. The odds alone should cause one to pause before spending much money on the lottery. Just think about it: 176 million to one against your winning the big prize. Those odds
    would make a casino, run by organized crime, seem like a good deal.

    And that brings me to my point: wouldn't the billions spent on the lottery have been better spent buying real things and creating real jobs rather than funding a state run way to transfer more wealth to the already wealthy? Shouldn't the states at least have the honesty to call
    the lottery what it is: A tax on the poor, the desperate, and the mathematically challenged?
    Absolutely not in New Hampshire. Between that and booze its how we fund all the education here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Am not a fan or supporter of the state run lotteries. Just another clever way for politicians to milk cash from the masses.

    But am missing your premise of "transferring wealth to the wealthy". Where did that come from...??
    Tax breaks for corporations in NC for one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Absolutely not in New Hampshire. Between that and booze its how we fund all the education here!
    That was the same snowjob reason they used to incorporate the lottery in Missouri and again here in Illinois.

    'Cept it immediately turned into a shell game. The lottery money went to education just as promised. But it was not in addition to what had been coming from the general fund, which is the impression that had been sold. Instead they just reduced the amount of general fund money that was going to education and pissed it away elsewhere.

    So in the end it was just a wash for education spending. The lottery money provided little, if any, benefit....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    That was the same snowjob reason they used to incorportate the lottery in Missouri and again here in Illinois.

    'Cept it immediately turned into a shell game. The lottery money went to education just as promised. But it was not in addition to what had been coming from the general fund, which is the impression that had been sold. Instead they just reduced the amount of general fund money that was going to education and pissed it away elsewhere.

    So in the end it was just a wash for education spending. The lottery money provided little, if any, benefit....
    Well we have no income or sales taxes so its just property tax, booze and the lottery. NH actually was the first state to start the lottery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    That was the same snowjob reason they used to incorportate the lottery in Missouri and again here in Illinois.

    'Cept it immediately turned into a shell game. The lottery money went to education just as promised. But it was not in addition to what had been coming from the general fund, which is the impression that had been sold. Instead they just reduced the amount of general fund money that was going to education and pissed it away elsewhere.

    So in the end it was just a wash for education spending.
    The lottery money provided little, if any, benefit....
    that wouldn't be the case in tennessee.

    the money goes to college scholarships for students in TN rather then to local school systems or state university funding in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post


    Should the government be running lotteries? My answer is no. Before I get too deep into the, metaphorical, weeds I should state that I am not some sanctimonious prig interested in telling people how to live their lives.
    I play the lottery, on occasion, as a form of entertainment. In the amounts I play, (never more than two or three dollars a week) it's probably pretty harmless. I get a couple of minutes of "mental what if" in exchange for the price of two beers
    or a drink of whiskey. I have never missed a meal, or had any other problem, because I have spent that two or three dollars in a week.

    Of course I also know that my odds don't improve by spending more money. The odds alone should cause one to pause before spending much money on the lottery. Just think about it: 176 million to one against your winning the big prize. Those odds
    would make a casino, run by organized crime, seem like a good deal.

    And that brings me to my point: wouldn't the billions spent on the lottery have been better spent buying real things and creating real jobs rather than funding a state run way to transfer more wealth to the already wealthy? Shouldn't the states at least have the honesty to call
    the lottery what it is: A tax on the poor, the desperate, and the mathematically challenged?
    Alright you stated you spend two to three dollars a week on the lottery, and if you do the math at 52 weeks that is $104.00 to $156.00 dollars a year you spend, and I ask you what you could have used that money on or saved it for?

    ( It is a serious question and one that will bite you after reading what I will write next )

    Now let say it is $156.00 a year and you've done this since you were 18 and are now 68 so that makes it 50 years times $156.00 equals $7800 and now I ask you again what could you have invested that money into that could have been a better value in return?

    So ask yourself is spending your money on one ticket really worth it?

    I say get rid of it but then again I am between Inane and Insane!
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